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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back we are back and on track

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for another night of uh

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the UFO circus and the circus has really

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uh ran out of town this week that's what

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I would say it's been a tough week for

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the world of UFOs and aliens especially

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uh it has especially been a tough week

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for the world of alien and UFO grifters

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and scammers who were all in full on

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panic mode because this week has been uh

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a strange week because all in the same

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week we got the complete and total

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nothing burger that were uh that was the

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Senate UFO hearing and by the way I see

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that some UFO scammers are still milking

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it regardless of the fact that it was a

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nothing burger or they're going to

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pretend that they were saying it was

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going to be a nothing Burger before the

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hearing when in fact they were hyping it

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um I'm aware of at least a few uh of

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these UFO scammer clowns that have done

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oh I don't know Grifton did three shows

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right three shows on a one hour hearing

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how do you do six hours of this Super

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Chat Shuffle right standing there like a

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monkey dance like a monkey for those

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super chats you you dummy right how do

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you do six hours

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talking about a one-hour hearing

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in which almost nothing was uh was

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important I think the important bits

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were a 10 second clip where the director

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of Arrow said there's absolutely no

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evidence of uh Alien or you know

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off-world technology and there is no

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evidence that any UFOs defy the laws of

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physics which is in direct uh you know

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which is a big problem for all the UFO

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scammers who have been using that

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talking point these things defy the laws

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of physics well not according to science

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they don't and uh not according to the

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head of the government's investigation

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into these things uh who by the way has

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been characterized as a UFO wakadu

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himself so if anybody's gonna jump on

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that if it's true it would be a fellow

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wackadoo but

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we've got clowns out there doing three

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or more shows about a one-hour hearing

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right and and that should give you some

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indication of how little there is

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actually going on and a couple to that

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is the fact that it's spring now in most

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of uh you know North America so people

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are going outside they're not sitting in

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their house uh going down UFO rabbit

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holes

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so certainly the viewership is off for

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almost everyone people are going outside

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you know and I highly encourage you to

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do that but not until after my broadcast

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of course uh but the fact that some

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grifters are doing two or three shows

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about a one hour Hearing in which almost

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nothing was said tells you everything

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about how this Con works it's a scam

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it's a con right just be there and dance

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for those super chats and by the way

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we're going to be revisiting my own

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policy about that maybe we'll just start

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reading them at the end uh you know I I

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feel very distracted by stopping the

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show to read each of them but we'll

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figure out a proper balance you also may

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have noticed that I played our bumper

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about supporting the show in the

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beginning of the show and that is

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because I often forget to play those

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bumpers uh so we'll play one in the

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beginning of the show so maybe one at

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the end of the show that means uh you

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know I'll get them in just to remind

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people that we are a viewer supported

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show and uh I'm happy and proud to

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announce that true Seekers has never

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been caught lying to their audience

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unlike goofan and third phase of moon

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and Linda Moulton Hal and Lou Elizondo

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and Nick Pope and George Knapp and

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Jeremy Corbell and virtually everyone

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that covers these topics has been caught

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lying to their audiences or to the

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public in general we haven't we have not

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sold out we have not sold our souls we

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have not run hoaxes or supported hoaxers

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like a certain Thrifty Super Chat uh

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shuffler we just don't do that here but

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along with the fact that we don't do

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that comes the tax right first of all we

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cannot make money by doing the UFO

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circle jerk

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if you're new to the show the UFO circle

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jerk is when these clowns that run shows

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or podcasts sit there uh and and

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softball people and pretend that they're

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not interviewing a lying scamming con

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artist grifter right that's how this

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works uh we're we're I am losing my

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patience for so much of this that you

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know I I sometimes I say well I should

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say that a little more diplomatically

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right no the diplomacy is out the window

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because you know this Unwritten rule

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that anybody that covers these subjects

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is not allowed to talk about the scams

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being run the grips being grifted and

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and the whole uh you know just just make

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up fake whistleblowers sell fake stories

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the fact that there's this Unwritten

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rule that I'm supposed to hold my tongue

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and you know get along I'm not here to

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get along with people who are lying to

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other people I'm not here to be

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diplomatic with people who are selling

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100 percent provably fake stories like

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Ross coltar who now is claiming some

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sort of cover-up because none of the

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crap that he talked about like you know

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crashed retrieval whistleblowers was

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talked about in this in this Senate

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hearing that's because Ross coldtharts

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uh sources are fake they're from his

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land of imagination hey Ross colthard

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name your goddamn sources or get out of

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here go scam some other subculture or

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Community get out of here with your

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goddamn metal shavings alien metal

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shavings that were it was a goddamn ball

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bearing you dummy

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right you promise quote conclusive proof

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of alien technology all confirmed by

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this man then you cut to a shot of

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Michio Kaku uh there was no

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there was no uh

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there was no alien technology and Michio

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Kaku didn't confirm anything Ross

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coldthart lied to everyone to sell a

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story but this isn't the first time he's

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a disgraced journalist who essentially

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got laid off or fired from his job on 60

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Minutes Australia and why did that

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happen I believe it happened because he

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got caught selling another approvably

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fake story not in the genre of UFOs but

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in the genre of all the British

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lawmakers are are pedos right and he

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used fake sources Wackadoo mentally ill

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people right for sources and he got

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caught selling a 100 percent provably

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fake story then he comes into the UFO

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Community with a book full of anonymous

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sources right

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then he gets caught selling another 100

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provably fake story about alien

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technology confirmed by Michio Kaku

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right and by the way Michio Kaku still

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has not responded uh I emailed him at

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his job at the University he works at

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three times I tweeted at him three times

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I want to know how Michio Kaku feels

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knowing that Ross colthar used him to

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scam everyone with a click bait garbage

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story that was 100 fake

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manipulated deceptive

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so deceptive they took it off their

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YouTube channel they could lose their

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entire YouTube channel for doing

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something like that they use deceptive

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practices to get people in the promos to

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get people to click on the video so they

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can make lots of money selling a hundred

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percent provably fake story so often the

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weeds again but my point is I'm not here

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to be nice to people like Ross coltar

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and here's another thing if you're a fan

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of one of these scammers don't email me

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this is not the place for you you want

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to go listen to fairy tales do it

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somewhere else pal don't email me your

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complaints don't tell me he's an

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award-winning journalist guess what good

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journalists don't use fake stories and

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don't do clickbait garbage pieces

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the guy got fired or laid off or

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whatever from a real journalism job and

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he decided he would come into the UFO

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Community because these stupid people

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are easy to scam with clickbait fake

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stories I guess not so easy when

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somebody like me is going to be the

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Watchdog and report on this

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so we're giving you the truth but we're

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giving you the cold hard

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Ugly Truth and if you don't like it

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don't email me go give money to these

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people that are lying to you every time

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they put out a story to these people

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with their fake sources and their

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insiders and oh there's meetings going

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on in top secret Skiffs okay who's in

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the meetings oh I can't tell you I can't

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tell you uh it's an anonymous source

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sure it is sure it is an anonymous

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source might as well be from the goddamn

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Land of Make-Believe I am tired of this

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and isn't it interesting that when I

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took a turn and just said I'm I'm going

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after some of these scammers lying to

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everybody and I'm going to tell

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everybody the truth about this I thought

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that there would be some change right

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the only changes

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that have happened as a result of our

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show and our constant coverage of the

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constant scam that is the UFO circus is

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this some of these grifters have had to

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work a little bit harder to come up with

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you know fake stories they can't be

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quite so obvious as they used to be or

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and discuss it I'm discussed it with

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this whole thing I'm discussed it with

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idiots emailing me arguing with me we

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present factual evidence from on the

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record real sources right if you want to

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live in a Land of Make-Believe where

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Anonymous sources are telling a

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disgraced journalist who who got let go

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from his real job because he he put out

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a completely fake sensationalized story

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about the British government all being

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pedophiles congratulations don't email

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me I don't care what you think you must

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be an idiot to believe that clown

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and I'm not reading any more of this

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nasty comments and I don't care I don't

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care we're just gonna keep doing what we

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do and if you don't like it go listen to

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fairy tale hour with George Knapp or

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Jeremy Corbell or Ross culpart or Linda

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mold now or Nick Pope or any of these

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other or third phase of fake right just

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just go go do that live in your

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delusional bubble leave it live in the

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Land of Make-Believe if you like to I

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live in the real world and I require

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things like evidence on the record

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sources data to support claims do you

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know how many UFO grifters have said

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UFOs defy the laws of physics

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where is the data where is the evidence

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where is the proof it doesn't exist

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because these people live in the Land of

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and if I can

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give anyone any advice it would be that

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you can live in a Land of Make-Believe

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you can put your blinders on oh don't

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don't watch Steve Campion I don't want

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to know who's a scammer oh my God

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they're all scammers yes

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99.9 of these people pushing alien crap

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are scammers there I said it I said it

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and it won't take it back

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because there is ample and supportive

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evidence to prove that what I am saying

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is true and meanwhile when you ask those

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people for evidence they've got a bunch

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I'm sick of it I'm just sick of it and

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we've had I keep saying this but we're

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gonna start

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talking about other topics because I

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can't I can't do this what am I gonna do

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every night every night we're just here

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going this this person's lying to you

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and this person's lying to you and this

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person's misleading you and this

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person's fudging the data to sell a

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story and this person is using a fake

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source to sell a story right it's it's a

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it's a goddamn circus full of clowns

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and I don't want to become one of them

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right we do very good investigative

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journalism work here sometimes and

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lately I've been thinking I really

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should be looking into cold murder cases

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or something that may have some real

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societal societal benefit right

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something because

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you know the perfect example of all of

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this is Linda Moulton Hale

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we showed with evidence incontrovertible

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proof and evidence that Linda montale

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got caught selling at least two fake

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stories probably a hell of a lot more

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but those two stories with the complete

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and totally fake alien pictures that she

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pushed as real pictures of aliens

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she's caught caught with her pants down

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well that's a disgusting thought bad

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analogy caught red-handed selling

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completely and totally fake stories

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she's booked a contact in the desert why

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would contact in the desert want to book

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somebody that got caught selling 100

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provably fake stories twice I've said it

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before I'll say it again it's because

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stupid people want to go see her and

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even stupider people want to go pay her

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a hundred and twenty dollars for her

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autograph

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right

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do you want an autograph from Linda

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Melton Hal that'll be a hundred and

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twenty dollars and let's not forget the

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VIP meet and greet that could be up to

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several thousand dollars where you get

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to hang out with your favorite UFO

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scammer for 10 minutes great a real but

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a real value no

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this thing has become so ridiculous and

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these people are put on pedestals and

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worshiped like they're giving you you

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know and by the way I would be okay with

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all these people making huge amounts of

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money and being put on pedestals and

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even some hero worship if if they were

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giving us real and accurate

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information like they claim to be but

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they're just not they just

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they're just not they're not worthy of

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the accolades they're not worthy of

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making millions of dollars for selling

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garbage and they're certainly not

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worship worthy of worship

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they should be mocked mercilessly until

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they leave

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everyone here should say you sell

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garbage go sell garbage to somewhere

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else don't do it here we we if we're

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clicking on something because it's

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supposed to be a true story or a

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documentary then we want the truth and

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we want documentary style investigative

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journalism and evidence we don't want

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some idiot telling stories with no

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backup other than trust me dude and

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somebody told me and my secret

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government Insider sources which I never

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name

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it's all a game and it's all about the

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cash

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which brings me to uh the subject of

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tonight's show honestly and uh we I

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decided to do a double header tonight

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because there's so much going on busting

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the world of UFO scammers this week and

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you know I gotta say as frustrated and

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angry as I get with the whole game of

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this UFO circus occasionally some things

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happen

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and uh and I get in a slightly better

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mood and this week I'm in a slightly

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better mood because uh a few great

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things happened for those unaware the

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UFO Community uh or subculture or

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whatever you want to call it there's

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some pillars of the UFO

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mythology let's call it

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and uh two of those pillars

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our Skinwalker Ranch and the Bob Lazar

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story interestingly George Knapp has

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sold both of those stories right and we

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know how George Knapp loves to play fast

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and loose with facts and you know he

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does the LIE bio Mission oh this former

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government scientist whistleblower well

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first of all George Knapp you lie to

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everybody he was never babazar was never

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a scientist and there's no evidence that

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he ever worked for the government you

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have zero

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um so George Knapp has also been

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involved in selling books and material

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on the Skinwalker Ranch and through his

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idiot uh what do you call that uh

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underlay yeah through his idiot

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underling Jeremy Corbell he has been

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they sold the skinwalker documentary

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based on his book full of lies so we've

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got a book full of super super spooky

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stories from George Knapp which he in

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the beginning of the book Stephen Green

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Street caught this not me by the way all

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credit to him in the beginning of George

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Knapp's book he claims that all the

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stuff in the book is based on a mountain

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of evidence and then on Joe Rogan Joe

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Rogan asked him is there any evidence

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well no we don't and not if you want no

439
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not like not like real evidence not like

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physical evidence right so George Knapp

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has made perhaps millions of dollars

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telling the skinwalker scam

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and he has no evidence he admitted as

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much

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so this is kind of where we've been at

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is that people are selling people are

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making millions of dollars selling

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stories that they claim are true and all

449
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that God is the story they don't have

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evidence to support the story you know

451
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it's really ridiculous and the

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profiteering is evident George Knack

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then goes on to get Jeremy Corbell I

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guess to sell a documentary based on his

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book full of the same spooky stories and

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Jeremy Corbell does an equally piss-poor

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job at providing a a single shred of

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evidence right oh a paranormal hot spot

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but we don't have any data to share we

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got a lot of spooky stories though if

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you want some spooky stuff you want to

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hear about werewolves and shape shifters

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and predators and dogs that smoke

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cigarettes yeah it's it's Skinwalker

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Ranch it's awesome

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uh so George Zapp has been involved in

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selling both the Bob Lazar fraud scam

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and the skinwalker scam and you know I

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just wanted to say to George Knapp I

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once liked and respected you maybe even

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admired you and wanted to emulate you

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before I knew that you sold garbage for

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a living right I just didn't I it when I

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was younger I would just watch you and

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think wow this guy's really getting to

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the truth no you're not he's

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manufacturing false truth that's what

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George Knapp does he manufactures fake

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true stories congrats and and by the way

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you know not for nothing but George

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Knapp is getting a little older now

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so you know the The Road to Redemption

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for you George Knapp is getting shorter

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and shorter are you gonna go to your

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grave

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at peace go and I did a great job

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dedicating Decades of my life to selling

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completely and totally fake stories

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where I had to massage everything I had

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a Lie by omission and not tell people

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about the all the evidence that the

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stories that I was making millions

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selling were completely totally fake

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right this is what you've dedicated your

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life to George Knapp and

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you know

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at some point we all made our maker and

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George Knapp is going to have to go to

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his maker and and I truly believe that

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at the end of our Lives when we meet our

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maker there's a talk you know and and

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the Divine Supreme Being will say I gave

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you incredible talents what did you do

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with them what did you do

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everybody's given gifts and despite what

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I think about them George Knapp has

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great he's been given great gifts by God

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as a good communicator maybe a good

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investigator but

510
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not really if he leaves out half the

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story and that's how George Knapp sells

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his stories he has to leave out the

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whole half of the story that suits the

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story to crap as a fake garbage story

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right but God gave him gifts as a

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communicator he's a good talker right

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he's charismatic

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and when he meets his maker you know the

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maker is going to ask him what did you

520
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:23,880
do with the talents I have given you and

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George Knapp is going to have to say I

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sold fake stories to stupid people with

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and maybe just maybe someday George nav

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may be judged for that right

525
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the time for George Knapp to come clean

526
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,580
on Bob Lazar and address the

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overwhelming evidence that Bob Lazar was

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a convicted pimp fraud liar that never

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was a scientist never stepped foot on

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Area 51 and more is closing you know and

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by the way I wish him a long and healthy

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happy life I'm not saying he's going to

533
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kick the bucket any day now but you know

534
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we're all Mortal so at some point George

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Knapp's going to meet his maker and he's

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going to have to explain why he spent a

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lifetime selling fake stories for profit

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when he could have done

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you know certainly better things and by

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the way I have seen some investigative

541
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journalism pieces that George Knapp did

542
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:24,299
on the Las Vegas Mob and other things

543
00:28:29,409 --> 00:28:26,400
that I thought were incredibly well done

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so he has the capability to do good work

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00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,240
but good work is hard you ever notice

546
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:36,120
that you know work when that when you're

547
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,980
finished you could be proud of for the

548
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:39,240
rest of your life

549
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,539
those things are so difficult to do they

550
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,340
take time and energy and passion and

551
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:47,520
dedication and and a great deal of

552
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,820
perseverance it's much easier to just

553
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,340
sell fake stories to stupid people and

554
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,559
make millions of dollars I'm learning

555
00:28:59,529 --> 00:28:57,840
that we do the hard work here and

556
00:29:04,669 --> 00:28:59,539
sometimes I say why are we doing this

557
00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:04,679
some idiot with a goddamn flashlight and

558
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:06,779
somebody telling a story about aliens

559
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:10,200
just made a huge ton of money by the way

560
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:11,640
we're going to cover that as well soon

561
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:17,460
and so Skinwalker and Bob Lazar both got

562
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,539
huge hits

563
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:21,059
because I have been screaming from the

564
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,679
rafters for ages now that both of those

565
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,720
stories are completely and totally fake

566
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,059
but the problem is and we've talked

567
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,240
about this before the problem is uh

568
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:35,520
something I call the bullhorn syndrome

569
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:38,100
the guy with the bicker bull horn wins

570
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:40,740
and I can't I can't do anything about

571
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:41,700
that

572
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,899
so what happens is the person who has

573
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:48,480
the bigger bull horn wins it doesn't

574
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,799
matter

575
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:52,799
if we have facts evidence all kinds of

576
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:55,799
backup to show those people lied if the

577
00:30:03,710 --> 00:29:58,860
liar has a hundred times bigger bull

578
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:06,789
and I have been both disappointed

579
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:09,179
ashamed and

580
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:13,980
quite honestly uh depressed

581
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,539
by our lack of uh ability to change

582
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,600
anything because

583
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:24,600
I can scream it from the rooftops but if

584
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:27,720
enough people don't get the message and

585
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:30,840
the Liars put their message out to a

586
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,860
hundred times more people than I can

587
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,260
we just don't have any effect it doesn't

588
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,799
take hold people don't go oh oh they

589
00:30:45,049 --> 00:30:42,720
they only gave us half the Bible is our

590
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,059
story they lied about the other half and

591
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:47,100
kept that part of the evidence

592
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:48,840
from us so we wouldn't know the story

593
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,860
was fake but luckily thank God I'm so

594
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,600
thankful for this like I said once in a

595
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,580
while no matter how discouraged I get

596
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,080
something puts me in a better mood so

597
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:00,840
this week we had two uh things that put

598
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:02,039
me in a better mood the first was

599
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,440
Stephen green Street's piece on the

600
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:07,320
Skinwalker Ranch it just blew the whole

601
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,980
Skinwalker story out of the water and uh

602
00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:12,899
for those that don't know the Skinwalker

603
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:15,480
Ranch is all about money the United

604
00:31:21,370 --> 00:31:18,659
States government wasted 22 million

605
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,380
dollars

606
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:24,659
investigating Skinwalker Ranch

607
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:28,200
and it's interesting that our government

608
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:28,799
um

609
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:32,520
actually gave 22 million dollars to

610
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,399
investigate Skinwalker Ranch to the guy

611
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,500
who owned the ranch

612
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:40,260
and I'm still trying to figure out what

613
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:41,340
we got

614
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,100
for 22 million dollars near as I can

615
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,980
tell we got a few hundred reports of

616
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,320
spooky stuff

617
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,720
that's it that's what we got for our 22

618
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,600
million dollars and I would like to know

619
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,340
you know and I've got by the way I've

620
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,840
got a lot of questions for the

621
00:32:03,529 --> 00:31:59,940
government but they won't return my

622
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,539
calls I was happy to see also I hate to

623
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,059
be happy for somebody's Misfortune but

624
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:07,679
in Stephen green Street's piece he

625
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:10,020
talked about calling the government for

626
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,700
weeks and weeks and weeks and months

627
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,640
trying to get very simple answers and I

628
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,559
thought it was only me that got ignored

629
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,840
but apparently if you're asking

630
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,580
inconvenient questions that the

631
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,320
government doesn't want to answer they

632
00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:25,440
just ignore you that's what they do

633
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,480
um but it is what it is so we we

634
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,620
taxpayers paid

635
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:33,840
22 million dollars

636
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:36,299
before the secret of Skinwalker Ranch

637
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,940
television show ever even started the

638
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,100
government had already wasted 22 million

639
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:43,200
dollars on Skinwalker and all we got was

640
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:46,640
some spooky reports of nonsense orbs and

641
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:50,460
UFOs and we didn't get any data none not

642
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,059
a single shred nothing no to my

643
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,880
knowledge we don't have films we don't

644
00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:00,000
have pictures we don't have sensor data

645
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:02,340
we have nothing nothing

646
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,440
we've got somebody sitting at the ranch

647
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:06,720
going yeah I saw some orbs let's write

648
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:09,419
it in a report send it to Bigelow that's

649
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,940
what we got for our 22 million dollars

650
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:14,700
near as I can tell then

651
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,820
after Bigelow had milked every penny of

652
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:19,980
that 22 million dollars God knows where

653
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,760
it went

654
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:22,679
I'd love to know how do you

655
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:29,389
how long does it take to spend 22

656
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:31,799
million dollars investigating a ranch

657
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,340
who knows who knows

658
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,740
but Brandon fugle comes along after

659
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:40,399
Piccolo had sucked every penny he could

660
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:43,799
I this is my uh speculation but I'm

661
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:47,159
entitled to it I believe that Bigelow

662
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:49,019
figured out that nothing was happening

663
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:50,760
there after a while

664
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,399
and uh even there's even some uh

665
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:55,039
anecdotal evidence that he said that

666
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,779
there's just a bit of lack of activity

667
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,039
at the ranch

668
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,559
you know there's no activity at the

669
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:04,140
ranch so he decides to sell it and he

670
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:06,779
sells it to Brandon fugle who then turns

671
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,619
it into an entertainment Empire right

672
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,780
there's TV shows there's conventions

673
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:15,839
there's websites there's members only

674
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,220
access where you get extra stupid spooky

675
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,159
stories and and no evidence right just

676
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,980
like you do on a television show extra

677
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,260
spooky stories though behind the paywall

678
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:30,659
and by the way who does Brandon fugle

679
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,540
have on his website advertising that

680
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:35,760
Christina Gomer who works with Jimmy

681
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,659
church and the biggest UFO scammers on

682
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:40,800
planet Earth

683
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:43,379
great job Brandon fugle really credible

684
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,179
having a girl that works with all those

685
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:48,240
UFO scammers help you advertise get

686
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:50,760
behind our paywall right

687
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,339
uh and by the way just in the sense of

688
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,520
transparency I once asked Brandon fugel

689
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,500
some questions on Twitter and I got

690
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:01,200
blocked and I just want to say Brandon

691
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:04,920
fugle you're a [\h__\h] you are a [\h__\h] bro

692
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:10,200
you are a [\h__\h] if you are so sure that

693
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:12,119
you've got a paranormal hot spot and

694
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,500
there's all these paranormal things

695
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:15,960
going on you can't and by the way my

696
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,599
questions were respectful

697
00:35:24,849 --> 00:35:21,599
he had to block me on Twitter that's how

698
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:24,859
weak his evidence is that's how

699
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:30,000
piss-poor sad his so-called evidence is

700
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:33,300
if your evidence is so piss-poor so weak

701
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,680
so ridiculously uh worthy of mockery

702
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:39,839
that you have to block

703
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,359
respectful journalists on Twitter who

704
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:45,180
are asking you a few questions then you

705
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,160
are a [\h__\h] I'm not pulling punches

706
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:49,980
anymore Brandon fugle is a [\h__\h] all

707
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:51,960
right I said it enough I made my point

708
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,599
and let's move on and by the way Brandon

709
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:57,420
if you you're always free to un unblock

710
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,460
me and you're free to come here and

711
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,859
we'll have a respectful conversation and

712
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:03,720
I promise I won't call you that even one

713
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,980
time

714
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,540
um

715
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,300
I don't understand if if you've got all

716
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:10,800
this evidence Brandon if you go why

717
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:13,800
can't anybody ask you questions or you

718
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,200
get butt hurt and block them on Twitter

719
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:18,720
you know I feel like holding up a doll

720
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,900
right like show me on this style where

721
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:23,700
Stephen Champion hurt you on the

722
00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:27,300
Internet Brand Fugal it's ridiculous you

723
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,900
gotta block me because I ask questions

724
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,040
oh my God

725
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,680
and by the way I don't regret asking the

726
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,079
questions that I asked and I you know if

727
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:39,540
he wants to block me good for him

728
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,579
um but that won't change my coverage of

729
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:43,619
him in fact that will make my coverage

730
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:46,440
of him more important to me you want to

731
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:49,859
block me on Twitter maybe just maybe uh

732
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:52,980
Mr fugle will start digging even deeper

733
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,619
than we've dug before right and let's

734
00:37:00,190 --> 00:36:58,560
talk about the fact that

735
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:00,200
um apparently

736
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,140
uh the

737
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:05,940
stars of Brandon fugel's secret of

738
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,760
Skinwalker Ranch by the way uh I'll give

739
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:10,980
you a spoiler alert the secret of

740
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:13,500
Skinwalker Ranch is it's about the money

741
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:17,220
that's the secret the secret

742
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:25,490
okay so spoilers uh but interestingly

743
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:29,760
the so-called stars of uh

744
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:32,339
of The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch

745
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:36,119
television show uh recently got in some

746
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,260
hot water because uh Jack Brewer who by

747
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:42,900
the way is a great is a great researcher

748
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:46,380
you know journalist he runs expanded

749
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,700
Frontiers and now uh Erica Lukes is uh

750
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,260
is

751
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,720
affiliated with him now working with him

752
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,180
he does great investigative journalism

753
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:00,420
work and he uncovered that Skinwalker

754
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,440
cast members received 175

755
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,520
000 in County Economic Development

756
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,680
Consulting fees

757
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:12,599
uh and I think this is just a great

758
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,960
story uh Stephen Green Street mentioned

759
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,359
it uh but

760
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,839
um he kind of glossed over it I I I'm

761
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:23,339
sure because you know there's only so

762
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,180
much time he had uh but I'm gonna share

763
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,820
some uh some of Jack Brewer's work shout

764
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,040
out to Jack Brewer and Erica Luke to do

765
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:34,440
an excellent work on covering the

766
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:38,579
skinwalker scam uh so the the stars of

767
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:40,980
the skinwalker scam I mean the secret of

768
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,220
the skinwalker scam I mean whatever the

769
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,040
skinwalker scammers are uh getting

770
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:50,400
Consulting contracts with local

771
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:52,440
government officials

772
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,660
the contract obtained from Duchesne

773
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:56,640
County rather questionably States the

774
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,200
agreement is specifically entered into

775
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,720
between Colliers International and

776
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,940
Duchene County the contract is signed by

777
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:04,640
Winterton

778
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:07,500
who is listed as the managing director

779
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:11,940
of Intermountain economic Consulting and

780
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,339
I just would like to ask uh for the

781
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,220
purpose of asking Thomas Winterton is

782
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,440
the so-called superintendent of

783
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,780
Skinwalker Ranch and by the way he took

784
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,940
a shot at me on Twitter too he's also a

785
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:26,160
[\h__\h] Thomas Winterton you're a [\h__\h]

786
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,420
too okay so uh Thomas Winterton is the

787
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:33,839
superintendent of Skinwalker Ranch now I

788
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:36,540
don't know what that even means so what

789
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,339
I did uh

790
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,220
is I looked it up I looked up the

791
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:43,200
definition you know it listen if you're

792
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:44,820
not sure what something means look it up

793
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,780
a person who managed or superintends an

794
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,839
organization or activity a high-ranking

795
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,760
official especially the head of a large

796
00:39:58,270 --> 00:39:55,680
Urban Police Department well that

797
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:58,280
doesn't mean the caretaker of a building

798
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,079
so in this case I would guess that

799
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:03,720
Thomas Winterton is the caretaker of

800
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:06,420
Skinwalker Ranch and by the way I just

801
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,520
want to say Thomas you're doing such a

802
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:10,320
great job those buildings are all fallen

803
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,400
down why don't you do something about

804
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,740
that bro you're letting people walk

805
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,320
around in literally buildings that could

806
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:18,720
fall down on top of them you [\h__\h]

807
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,660
really you're the superintendent the

808
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:24,720
bill are falling down around people as

809
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,760
they walk through them isn't that a

810
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,440
liability isn't that like a health

811
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:30,839
hazard I would think so great job

812
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,339
superintending but uh interestingly uh

813
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,119
so Thomas Winterton forms a company uh

814
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,180
to do Economic Development and I would

815
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:43,920
just like to publicly ask Thomas

816
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:46,020
Winterton because I try to look it up

817
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:47,900
and wasn't able to find anything

818
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:52,200
what education or qualification does the

819
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,300
superintendent of a paranormal Ranch

820
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:56,640
who's doing a pissport job being a

821
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:57,780
superintendent because all the buildings

822
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:01,079
are falling down uh what what education

823
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,740
or experience does he have an economic

824
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:08,160
consulting or Economic Development or

825
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:11,940
local government or tourism even

826
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,000
to the best of my knowledge he has no

827
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:17,280
experience or education in those fields

828
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,220
so why would the the governments local

829
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:23,040
to the Skinwalker Ranch give that clown

830
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:26,579
a contract for 175 thousand dollars and

831
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:28,980
what is he supposed to be doing for that

832
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,260
hundred thousand dollars and of course

833
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,300
the commissioner of that local

834
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:35,220
government did not immediately respond

835
00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:38,220
to an email Quest request for comment on

836
00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:40,460
her assessment of circumstances

837
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:43,160
surrounding Consultation Services

838
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,720
undertaken by Intermountain economic

839
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,820
Consulting

840
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:50,339
um so here's where it gets interesting

841
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,160
so it's not just one person from The

842
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,740
Secret of Skinwalker scam that is

843
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,960
getting paid off by the local government

844
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,240
for whatever reason

845
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,460
um and by the way I'm not implying any

846
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,440
criminal activity here but this doesn't

847
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:08,160
look right and I'm confused why would a

848
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:10,200
TV star suddenly start getting big

849
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,599
checks from the local government well it

850
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,119
has to do with phenomicon of course

851
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,240
Vernell city manager Quinn bennion told

852
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:20,460
efr during the October email exchange

853
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:22,619
that phenomicon speakers and amounts of

854
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,900
compensation were decided by an

855
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:27,839
organizing Committee of which he was a

856
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,020
member benion averted from describing

857
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,599
the process in more detail when asked to

858
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:35,520
do so advising that he would not be

859
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,339
responding to further emails so the

860
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:40,619
local officials who were giving this

861
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,560
Skinwalker TV clowns money for some

862
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,500
reason don't want to talk about it they

863
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,839
told Jack Brewer we're not going to talk

864
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:50,700
anymore we're not responding to any more

865
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,180
emails on October 26 records requests

866
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,460
submitted to Travis Campbell director of

867
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,280
The Office of Utah County Economic

868
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,740
Development uh the request sought

869
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,900
records pertaining to the phenomicon

870
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,760
organizing committee as described by

871
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,160
city manager Banyan a list of its

872
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,380
members minutes he's Jack Brewer's

873
00:43:14,569 --> 00:43:12,420
thorough he asked give me everything

874
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,579
you've got I want to see what's going on

875
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,380
here

876
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,319
Campbell briefly replied by email the

877
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:21,180
same day I am not associated with the

878
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:22,920
organizing you committee you mentioned

879
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,900
so I don't have any records pertaining

880
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,040
to your request

881
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,260
uh he then suggested Jack find the

882
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,200
records elsewhere Thomas Winterton when

883
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,640
asked if he was a member of the

884
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,800
phenomicon organizing committee replied

885
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,079
I am and I'm very proud to be a part of

886
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:39,660
it apparently alluding to formulas for

887
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,660
arriving at amounts of compensation he

888
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:44,940
added that he offered you and talk

889
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,640
County comparison figures as to what had

890
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,500
been paid to us by the conferences we

891
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,660
have attended but I did not ask for a

892
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,700
specific amount wintered and continued

893
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,680
raising the palms of his hands to the

894
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:57,839
computer screen nor did I have anything

895
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,900
to do with the amounts

896
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,420
of my compensation or the rest of the

897
00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:06,300
team so the local government is holding

898
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:07,940
UFO conventions

899
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:12,240
you know that the UFO money is good when

900
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,040
the local government

901
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:15,900
says you know what we got to get in on

902
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:18,660
this UFO Skinwalker scam money let's run

903
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,280
a conference right awesome so uh let's

904
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:25,680
continue here

905
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,430
as indicated above Thomas Winterton Adam

906
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,480
Illy defends the Integrity of

907
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:35,760
Intermountain economic Consulting and

908
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:38,280
his action and again I just want to ask

909
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,400
Thomas Winterton what what other

910
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:44,819
economic Consulting have you done

911
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,339
or are you just getting paid off by the

912
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,099
by the government local to skinwalker

913
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,740
to Skinwalker Ranch and don't you think

914
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:55,140
that's a conflict of interest

915
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:57,240
he repeatedly made statements to that

916
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:58,859
effect he also explained he felt

917
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,500
personally attacked by efr inquiries and

918
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,200
Reporting it was subsequently suggested

919
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,440
that from this side of the inquiries a

920
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:09,119
more accurate description might be that

921
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,220
a threat of entitlement and resistance

922
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,680
to government transparency runs through

923
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:15,839
several of the people who populate this

924
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:19,560
story yeah so essentially the local

925
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:21,900
government is paying Skinwalker Ranch

926
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,490
okay

927
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:31,380
so a television star is advising the

928
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:34,859
local government on economics and and

929
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,040
how to make a lot of money through

930
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,920
travel and tourism this is just another

931
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,079
cash in for the skinwalker Stars

932
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,380
apparently according to Jack Brewer the

933
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:48,420
stars of Skinwalker Ranch were handed at

934
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,760
least 175

935
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:53,359
000 in local government

936
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:56,520
taxpayer-funded money and I for one just

937
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,160
wonder did the local taxpayers vote on

938
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:01,740
this do the people paying taxes local to

939
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,500
Skinwalker Ranch want the clowns who

940
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,000
were already some of them making

941
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:08,460
millions of dollars on a television show

942
00:46:12,589 --> 00:46:11,339
to to get a hundred and seventy five

943
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,599
thousand dollars from the local

944
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:15,359
community for what to appear at a

945
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,180
freaking

946
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:19,440
Skinwalker conference and by the way

947
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:21,240
we've got some fun stuff to share about

948
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,020
what happens at the skinwalker uh at the

949
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:27,780
phenomicon conference you too can have

950
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,319
dinner with the lead science advisor of

951
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:33,480
the Skinwalker Ranch for just a few

952
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,660
thousand dollars it's awesome

953
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,240
um but before we do that I have this

954
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:41,579
queued up uh we're gonna cite fair use

955
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,819
this is a transformative work uh we are

956
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,319
educating the public about the

957
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,480
skinwalker scam I mean the secret of

958
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,400
Skinwalker

959
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:53,760
um and by the way when I when I say that

960
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:55,859
this is my opinion and my speculation

961
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,440
and I'm entitled to it because if it if

962
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,020
it looks shady and it and it appears

963
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,200
shady and it it's probably Shady

964
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,540
um but it is what it is uh so we'll put

965
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:08,640
our fair use banner up this is a

966
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,140
transformative work we're educating the

967
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:12,480
public and critiquing the videos that we

968
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:15,240
are sharing uh we'll be commenting And

969
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:17,339
discussing uh the video that we are

970
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,839
sharing so this is certainly covered

971
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,460
under fair use this is also a

972
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:23,400
transformative work further making it uh

973
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,420
uh applicable under fair use so this is

974
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,000
Thomas Winterton who by the way told me

975
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:32,760
that if I don't like the skinwalker TV

976
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,819
show what did he say he said maybe I

977
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,500
should be watching Keeping Up with the

978
00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:39,720
Kardashians because that's more of my

979
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:42,200
speed right

980
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,660
great Thomas Winterton uh I'm not the

981
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,760
one playing Ghostbusters with my life

982
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,520
you idiot I'm not the one pretending to

983
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:52,980
be an economic consultant and taking

984
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,040
what may be allegedly payoffs from the

985
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:58,380
local government so they can get in on

986
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:01,560
the con okay so don't insult me on

987
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,619
Twitter Mr superintendent that's the

988
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,119
superintendent of a property with

989
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:07,680
falling down buildings that you're

990
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:10,740
letting visitors go in great job why

991
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:13,319
don't you fix the roofs

992
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:14,940
they're not going to fix the roofs they

993
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:16,740
want it to look decrepit and beat up and

994
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:19,859
and old right they could rebuild that in

995
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:22,140
one day they won't

996
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:24,180
it's the most haunted place on skinwalk

997
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,099
or Ranch don't you know

998
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:28,319
yeah and all you got out of it was

999
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,260
videos of silkworms or bugs

1000
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:33,839
congratulations all right uh we're gonna

1001
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,180
share some of this and this is this is

1002
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,480
this was wonderful and by the way uh I'm

1003
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,920
a terrible show host so what I'm gonna

1004
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,140
do right now is go over to YouTube

1005
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,319
before we play this uh sorry pretty busy

1006
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:48,660
day here but I'm gonna put Jack Brewer's

1007
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:51,480
uh I'm gonna put this video

1008
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:54,839
um on in in the description of the video

1009
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,140
because uh this is just wonderful work

1010
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,839
it didn't get very much attention that

1011
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,119
I'm aware of I don't know or maybe this

1012
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:06,300
is a repost of this but uh I'm just

1013
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:16,130
interrogation

1014
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,829
of Thomas and we'll put the link right

1015
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,640
in the description of the video it

1016
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,960
really should if you're interested in

1017
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,060
these topics watch that entire video

1018
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,920
we're just going to be playing portions

1019
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,020
of it uh because

1020
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:30,780
you know it's it's 35 minutes long and

1021
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,829
interrogating him like

1022
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,040
like money from the local government

1023
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:43,440
what is what are you supposed to be

1024
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,900
doing for them and Thomas Winterton

1025
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,940
starts saying that the local government

1026
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:49,980
has gotten hundreds of millions of

1027
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,520
dollars in benefit by paying him and his

1028
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:56,040
company and his friends the hundred and

1029
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:58,020
seventy five thousand dollars plus the

1030
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,599
money for phenomicon they've gotten

1031
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,880
hundreds of millions of dollars in

1032
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:04,319
financial benefit or something like that

1033
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:06,180
I'm paraphrasing but we're going to

1034
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:08,520
listen to some of this bill heard and

1035
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:12,660
feel that you you present your case I

1036
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,240
might I might have to call a timeout

1037
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,480
though to to get all of my questions in

1038
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,980
okay

1039
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:21,839
uh I will give you whatever time you

1040
00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:25,440
need I appreciate that

1041
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:26,359
um

1042
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:30,540
yeah the the Colliers issue I do not

1043
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:34,140
claim to be qualified

1044
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:37,500
um to cite uh in any

1045
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,020
um potential problems or discrepancies

1046
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,079
in the real estate market

1047
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:46,079
um what stood out to me as a writer and

1048
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,099
a researcher is that the public agendas

1049
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:52,740
and the discussions at commission

1050
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,859
meetings County Commission meetings and

1051
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,920
the Uinta County budget

1052
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,079
um

1053
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:03,839
referenced payment to Colliers and the

1054
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:06,540
check is not to call you it's to

1055
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:10,859
Intermountain Consulting so to me that

1056
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:14,160
that's something to look into and ask

1057
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,260
about yeah and just so everybody's aware

1058
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,480
there appears to be some kind of shell

1059
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:21,359
game with what I believe to be and this

1060
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:23,880
is my opinion in speculation multiple

1061
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,700
shell companies uh surrounding this

1062
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,619
controversy about the local officials

1063
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:31,680
paying off Skinwalker television stars

1064
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,760
uh somehow uh and Jack Brewer correctly

1065
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,460
points out it doesn't make sense if the

1066
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,619
local meeting minutes are saying we paid

1067
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,680
one company but they really the check is

1068
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:47,040
made out to another company this is so

1069
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:49,079
shady that I can't believe that a

1070
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:51,900
billionaire business person thinks it's

1071
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,780
okay for people that I would call his

1072
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:56,880
staff right Thomas Winterton is one of

1073
00:52:03,109 --> 00:51:59,339
his staff members is doing this was

1074
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,119
Fugal aware of all these this Consulting

1075
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,220
companies and the money payoffs and the

1076
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,220
phenomicon plans so that his crew

1077
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,800
members could make an additional several

1078
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,440
hundred thousand dollars on top of what

1079
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,960
Brandon fugel is paying them and at some

1080
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:17,400
point you have to say you're already

1081
00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,240
getting TV star money right to be on the

1082
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,339
television show that's not enough for

1083
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,859
you you decide to come up with this

1084
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:28,260
thing to be an economic consultant and

1085
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:31,980
run local this is just shady is why I

1086
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:34,619
brought it up I understand that Mr Fugal

1087
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:38,160
is closely related with Colliers

1088
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:40,500
you mentioned yeah so Collier's is

1089
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,540
Brandon fugel's company and Thomas

1090
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:45,660
Winterton has a separate company and the

1091
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:47,400
local Town said they paid Brandon

1092
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,260
fugle's company but they really paid

1093
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:52,140
Thomas winterton's company so I would

1094
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,140
question to Thomas Winterton

1095
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,359
misrepresent anything that Brandon fugle

1096
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,339
and we needed we need on the record

1097
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,200
statements and comments from Brandon

1098
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:04,559
fugle about this entire controversy and

1099
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,099
by the way this is just one facet of the

1100
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,280
skinwalker scam story like why is

1101
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:14,520
Brandon fugle not talking about this why

1102
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,619
won't he give interviews why is he

1103
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:18,960
blocking people on Twitter who ask

1104
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:21,960
questions about this right if you're not

1105
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:24,960
doing anything the the only people who

1106
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:27,720
have the only people who fear questions

1107
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:37,370
that um on on that point if you go back

1108
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,660
to the actual recording in the in the

1109
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,520
County Commission meeting you will hear

1110
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,680
me say Intermountain economic Consulting

1111
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:45,359
whether they had it in their heads it

1112
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,819
was calliers or not the fact is is that

1113
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:50,520
we never misrepresented that as them

1114
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,900
doing business how would they have

1115
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:54,300
gotten that in their head because

1116
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:55,980
Brandon is the chairman of Colliers

1117
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,300
International when he gives them a

1118
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,040
business card it says call yours on it

1119
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:01,920
okay so he denies misrepresenting

1120
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:06,480
himself as uh yeah okay fair enough

1121
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,559
thank you okay and you mentioned that

1122
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,140
that a great deal you feel a great deal

1123
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:15,480
of work was brought to the area for that

1124
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,260
58 000 and you mentioned people I could

1125
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:22,319
call do you have any any doubt yeah so

1126
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,740
he got one payment of 58 000 that he

1127
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:28,440
claims brought a great deal of Economic

1128
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,079
Development and benefit to the local

1129
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:32,400
community

1130
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:35,160
and Jack Brewer boy he's a bulldog but

1131
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:36,599
you know what I like about Jack Brewer

1132
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,480
is that he's so calm and unassuming like

1133
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,119
he's not threatening he's like he's like

1134
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:45,119
you're you're fun older uncle or grandpa

1135
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:46,920
or something he's just not threatening

1136
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,500
and I think Thomas winter didn't really

1137
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,680
screwed up agreeing to do this like he

1138
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:54,660
should have just kept his

1139
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:56,040
my lawyer because

1140
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:58,200
because Brewer's gonna ask him do you

1141
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,180
have any data to support your claims

1142
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,900
that you can present see the the way I

1143
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:05,760
look at things sir

1144
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:09,599
is I do records requests and when I did

1145
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,599
a records request repeated ones

1146
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,180
on ie

1147
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:17,220
say

1148
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:20,579
um I got no responsive documents of

1149
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:23,940
deliverables or final reports

1150
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,579
um I I couldn't run down if the

1151
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:29,280
contracts have been renewed I I was able

1152
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,339
to see it was a 12-month contract has

1153
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:34,920
that been renewed

1154
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,800
so I'll give you some I'll give you some

1155
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:40,079
nuggets you can go grammar requests I

1156
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:42,300
sent an email to the Commissioners on

1157
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:44,839
October 11th of

1158
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:47,579
2021. uh our contract was due to expire

1159
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:50,819
in January now mind you we were able to

1160
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:51,900
close this deal with this electric

1161
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,680
vehicle company I mean any any place in

1162
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:58,800
the country would call that a win-win 58

1163
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:02,940
000 for a for high five 500 jobs

1164
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,300
um that's a fantastic value now I sent

1165
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:08,160
we could have called it easily called it

1166
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:09,000
good

1167
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:11,160
uh January and said we fulfilled our

1168
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:13,980
contract but because we had Jim Morse

1169
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,140
who was working who

1170
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:18,960
put in more than 40 hours a week in

1171
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:21,900
Union County for the entire year so we

1172
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,420
met our contractual obligations oh

1173
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:27,480
that's pretty good money 58 000 for 40

1174
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:31,200
hours of work is that is am I hearing

1175
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:32,160
that right

1176
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:35,940
and um interestingly Jack Brewer was not

1177
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,040
able to find any paperwork from the

1178
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:40,319
county about what they got for their

1179
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,220
money

1180
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:43,260
to the best of my knowledge of this

1181
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:45,780
situation by the way I could be in error

1182
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:48,660
personally felt there was more I wanted

1183
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,819
to do so you can go grammar request an

1184
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:53,280
email that I said Thomas Winterton to

1185
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:55,740
the three Commissioners on October 11th

1186
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,040
and I told them that I I updated them on

1187
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,619
our progress and I also told them that I

1188
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,960
wanted to extend the contract at no cost

1189
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,240
to the county for an extra eight weeks

1190
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:08,400
to make up for the time that I was

1191
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:09,780
filming

1192
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,420
that contract that is in writing I

1193
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:14,400
continued to work even beyond that eight

1194
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,220
weeks yeah and and here's where he's

1195
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:19,200
stupid for doing this interview Thomas

1196
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,780
Winterton is stupid for doing this

1197
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,180
winter for doing this interview he

1198
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:26,700
should have contacted his attorney

1199
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:28,740
and spoken only through his attorney

1200
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:30,900
because right here

1201
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:33,540
is a problem it's a big problem for him

1202
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,900
because he's essentially saying well you

1203
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:38,700
could take it one of two ways I take

1204
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:41,880
what he just said is saying well I did

1205
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:43,980
take the money and agree to perform

1206
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:47,339
certain services but then because I'm a

1207
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,540
greedy slob right I was busy filming a

1208
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,700
television show I'm also getting paid

1209
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,099
for while I'm taking money from the

1210
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,380
community to work for them I'm working

1211
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:00,359
for Brandon Frugal making money over

1212
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,500
there I didn't have time to complete

1213
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,200
whatever work I was supposed to do for

1214
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:09,540
them so I'm going to give them another

1215
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,819
eight weeks or they're gonna give me

1216
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:14,460
another eight weeks to actually give

1217
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:16,920
them something for the money that they

1218
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:20,339
gave me but I was too busy being a TV

1219
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,460
show star playing Ghostbusters to do the

1220
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,920
work for the local community that I'd

1221
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:28,500
already been paid for great job Thomas

1222
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:30,599
Winterton you clown

1223
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,800
next time talk to a lawyer stupid

1224
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:37,680
until almost the first of May for you in

1225
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:41,040
a county I we the discussion was that we

1226
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:43,500
would renew that but by the time I

1227
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,440
finished what I felt completely met my

1228
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,480
obligation where I have 100 clear

1229
00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:51,180
conscience on everything that was around

1230
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,059
uh the middle of April I knew that

1231
00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:56,640
filming would be coming around again and

1232
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,440
I I had discussions with Brandon and

1233
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:00,359
told him I was not going to approach the

1234
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,240
county uh just to have to leave in a

1235
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:05,099
month uh

1236
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:09,780
to uh start filming so that we agreed to

1237
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,079
wait until filming was done I promise I

1238
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:15,180
have a suggestion maybe you shouldn't

1239
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,099
take 175

1240
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:20,880
000 or 58 000 or however many thousands

1241
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,260
of dollars you took from the local

1242
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:24,540
community if you're going to be busy

1243
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:26,339
playing Ghostbusters on a television

1244
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:29,160
show and you don't have time to do the

1245
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,020
work that you've already collected the

1246
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,599
money for maybe just maybe you should

1247
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:35,520
have turned the contract down because

1248
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,260
you knew that you'd be tied up playing

1249
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:40,079
Ghostbusters on the secret of Skinwalker

1250
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,319
Ranch television show right

1251
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,480
um you know and I I love how he says all

1252
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:47,400
right well I I completed the work and my

1253
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:49,319
conscience was clear but it took me

1254
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:53,280
extra time to do it right great great

1255
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:55,700
I will be reapproaching you in a County

1256
01:00:02,990 --> 00:59:59,700
uh and asking them if they would like to

1257
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,000
um you guys pay me again because I did

1258
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:05,040
such a great job not finishing the work

1259
01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:07,500
that I was paying to do on time that I'd

1260
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:09,540
like to get another big payout great

1261
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,220
with Duchesne and dag it get renewed

1262
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:16,980
uh it's the exact same scenario with

1263
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:20,099
them I thank you I

1264
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:23,880
I only I have never taken advantage of

1265
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:27,240
anybody I have he has never taken

1266
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:30,660
advantage of anybody great to say I felt

1267
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,299
really targeted in your piece uh I feel

1268
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:35,280
like my character's been attacked I know

1269
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,299
there was a podcast done uh recently I I

1270
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,579
feel like this has been very one-sided

1271
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:44,160
reporting on your part and not accurate

1272
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,020
to all of the facts so I apologize for

1273
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,240
being a little defensive but I feel like

1274
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:50,640
this is a little bit of a Witch Hunt

1275
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,079
did you receive my emails to ask you for

1276
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,309
not receiving emails from you and by the

1277
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:04,559
way uh I I don't know listen I just want

1278
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:07,020
to say this I Don't Know Jack Brewer

1279
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:11,339
well but I do know uh I do know from his

1280
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:15,960
work that Jack Brewer is like a a a very

1281
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:19,440
detailed oriented kind of a reporter he

1282
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:21,960
would not put a piece out about anybody

1283
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:24,920
or anything without

1284
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,480
asking the people involved in the story

1285
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:30,960
for their comment and you will see in

1286
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,240
his original story this guy's like this

1287
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:35,040
is a Witch Hunt and this is one-sided

1288
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:36,780
reporting and I didn't get to tell my

1289
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:40,079
side of the story no Jack Brewer asked

1290
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:42,540
you for your side of the story and you

1291
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,500
did not reply to him you ignored him it

1292
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,900
was only after the piece went out that

1293
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,000
suddenly Thomas Winterton goes into

1294
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:53,760
damage control mode and decides I better

1295
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,220
get ahead of this and tell my side of

1296
01:02:02,930 --> 01:01:59,760
the story great great and here

1297
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:02,940
Jack is going to slam him uh you know I

1298
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,940
emailed you I asked you for comment and

1299
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:07,680
Thomas winner did I didn't get those

1300
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,880
emails sure you didn't but yes I

1301
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:13,920
literally received hundreds of messages

1302
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,920
a week from fans of the show yes and

1303
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:18,720
it's very good hundreds of your email

1304
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:21,420
messages a week because you know he

1305
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:25,020
plays Ghostbusters on television awesome

1306
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,500
uh slipped in there with them okay

1307
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,440
um I have one more question please and

1308
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,319
then I'll allow you to State um what

1309
01:02:39,849 --> 01:02:36,960
you'd like in closing

1310
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:39,859
um the Vernal city manager Binion

1311
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,079
mentioned to me in an email as was

1312
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:46,319
documented in the previous article that

1313
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:49,619
he was part of an organizing committee

1314
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,240
for phenomicon and that this organizing

1315
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,640
committee decided the speakers in the

1316
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:59,040
amounts of compensation paid to the

1317
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:00,119
speakers

1318
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:02,940
were you part of that organizing

1319
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:09,170
I am and I'm very proud to be part of it

1320
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,720
I will say that in planning this for the

1321
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:14,520
first time this is the first of its kind

1322
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,680
and you in the county this is awesome so

1323
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:18,960
he planned the convention with the local

1324
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:21,480
officials that him and all the

1325
01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:23,220
skinwalker co-stars would get big

1326
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:26,540
payouts for great he's part of the plan

1327
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:28,859
he's proud of it

1328
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:31,500
I offered them comparisons as to what

1329
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:34,740
had been paid to us in other uh

1330
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:37,859
conferences that we have attended but I

1331
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:40,680
did not ask for a specific amount nor

1332
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:42,180
did I

1333
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:45,480
have anything to do with my compensation

1334
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:47,819
or the rest of Team it was a discussion

1335
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:51,599
But ultimately it was the tourist no he

1336
01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:54,420
just gave the local officials like a

1337
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:56,520
perennial like here's what we got paid

1338
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,119
previously by other event organizers so

1339
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:02,160
you want to be in this ballpark he's

1340
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:04,680
trying to say that he didn't set the

1341
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:08,160
compensation but he did in my opinion

1342
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:10,380
because he gave the county the county

1343
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:13,079
people probably a printout this is how

1344
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:14,880
much Travis Taylor got paid at

1345
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,339
contacting the desert or whatever this

1346
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,200
is how much I got paid at this

1347
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:21,540
convention or that convention he

1348
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,819
essentially told them this is what we

1349
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:26,160
should get paid around this amount he

1350
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:28,260
gave them the ballpark right but now

1351
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:29,940
he's going to try to weasel out of that

1352
01:04:38,089 --> 01:04:35,099
I mean uh the uh

1353
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,099
uh tourism tourism

1354
01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:40,640
thank you it was the travel of Tourism

1355
01:04:46,130 --> 01:04:43,559
directors that made that call all I did

1356
01:04:47,809 --> 01:04:46,140
was show them previous compensations and

1357
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,819
if you will look at our compensations as

1358
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:49,500
far as our speakers feel you'll see that

1359
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:53,040
it's it's actually very uh comparable to

1360
01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:54,780
what you would find at other conferences

1361
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:56,579
I've actually been paid more at other

1362
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,700
conferences than this and I offered to

1363
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:02,400
volunteer my services at this one but

1364
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,740
they didn't feel that it was right I put

1365
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:07,200
in a lot of work during phenomicon yeah

1366
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,420
I'm sure he offered to turn down a

1367
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,520
paycheck and by the way Thomas Winterton

1368
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:13,680
that's something we can fact check with

1369
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:16,380
the travel and tourism board so I'll be

1370
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:18,660
calling them to find out if you offered

1371
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,480
to do it for free but they said no no we

1372
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:24,240
have to pay you you got to be careful

1373
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:26,460
when you're getting interviewed saying

1374
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,140
stupid things that might not be

1375
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,000
factually accurate because it could come

1376
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:32,640
back to haunt you Mr Winterton and if

1377
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:34,440
those County officials don't tell me

1378
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:36,780
that you offered to do it for free then

1379
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,960
you are a liar sir and we're going to

1380
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:42,480
check into that and we'll report it and

1381
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,760
I didn't receive a penny it was the

1382
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:47,520
committee is completely volunteer so I

1383
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:48,900
would say during the course of the year

1384
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:50,420
I volunteer

1385
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:53,760
uh anywhere from 40 to 50 hours of my

1386
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,079
time uh to help uh organize this event

1387
01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:00,720
the local community which is also

1388
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,020
running this convention is giving him 58

1389
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:06,720
000 checks or I'm a little unclear or

1390
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,980
was it 175 000 checks to do economic

1391
01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:13,200
development but he claims that he's

1392
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,260
volunteering for the county no you got a

1393
01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:18,299
huge paycheck Thomas winner didn't do

1394
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:20,819
this you weren't volunteering we're

1395
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:23,040
going to fact check that we're going to

1396
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:25,500
call the local County officials and ask

1397
01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:28,619
them if they have a log of the volunteer

1398
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,020
hours that you put into these projects

1399
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,079
that is separate from the for-profit

1400
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,240
hours that you put into these projects

1401
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:38,700
that you were paid these huge amounts of

1402
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,359
money for I do that completely I don't

1403
01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:44,460
get paid for that time I don't get paid

1404
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:46,260
for my efforts and as far as

1405
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,180
compensation if you go look at what I

1406
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,920
was offered versus other speakers there

1407
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:51,599
were many other speakers that were paid

1408
01:06:56,569 --> 01:06:54,420
more than I was in speaker please now

1409
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:56,579
add-ons the activities those are

1410
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:58,980
different and those are those are oh

1411
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,200
yeah the VIP passes that's what he's

1412
01:07:09,130 --> 01:07:03,420
talking about you could have a VIP lunch

1413
01:07:14,450 --> 01:07:12,170
you know builds Rockets out of moonshine

1414
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:14,460
and sees aliens and plants for alien

1415
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:16,680
invasions

1416
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:19,859
it's the same for everybody so I don't

1417
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:21,780
have a spinach that just applies to me

1418
01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:24,119
the arrangement is the same for all of

1419
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:26,339
us and it comes down to number of

1420
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:29,400
tickets that are sold and I by far sold

1421
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:31,799
more kits than anybody else for my

1422
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:35,220
events so uh it's the same contract and

1423
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,599
percentage

1424
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,599
do you have anything you'd like to say

1425
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:41,940
in closing or anything you'd like to ask

1426
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:54,890
yeah I'm curious

1427
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:58,490
what your fascination is or you're not a

1428
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,039
resident of if I won't matter what is

1429
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,559
the fascination with with trying this

1430
01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:07,680
film I apologize I'm sure you're a very

1431
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,480
nice individual

1432
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,480
um I just I feel very targeted in this

1433
01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:14,640
when we have been over backwards to

1434
01:08:18,970 --> 01:08:16,859
drive nothing to do nothing but help the

1435
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:18,980
community I have the original emails

1436
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:21,480
proposing what different ways that local

1437
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:23,160
businesses could get involved it had

1438
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,580
nothing to do with with me just ways to

1439
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,799
help get businesses involved that could

1440
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,900
capitalize on the tourism that's coming

1441
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,120
in did you know that Skinwalker Ranch

1442
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:35,460
our Film Production

1443
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:38,520
the past four years these are the easy

1444
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,960
numbers that are easy to count oh now

1445
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:41,339
he's going to give us some numbers of

1446
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:43,259
the economic benefit that the local

1447
01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:46,440
community enjoyed

1448
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:48,600
from uh being involved with the

1449
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,580
Skinwalker Ranch and maybe why they

1450
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:52,859
would give Skinwalker Ranch TV show

1451
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:55,739
Stars big Consulting payoffs

1452
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:58,560
that's hotels that's food that's paid to

1453
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,400
Caterers and Equipment that's rented in

1454
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,560
the area just those three categories it

1455
01:09:08,689 --> 01:09:06,000
doesn't take into account any spending

1456
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:08,699
that's done anywhere else we have uh the

1457
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:10,440
production has brought four and a half

1458
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:13,560
million dollars direct spending into the

1459
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,060
area that doesn't account for the

1460
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,799
tourism where is he getting these

1461
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:18,600
numbers from

1462
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,179
um I'm not sure Jack really drilled down

1463
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:23,279
on that but where is he getting that the

1464
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,560
local community benefited in the form of

1465
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:27,839
four and a half million dollars

1466
01:09:32,749 --> 01:09:30,179
where is he getting that from who's

1467
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,759
giving him those numbers bring in that

1468
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:35,100
doesn't count phenomicon that is simply

1469
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:36,900
the money that the production is spent

1470
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:40,440
on hotels food and equipment so we've

1471
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,299
we've done nothing to try to help the

1472
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:44,400
local okay so he's saying that the

1473
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:46,140
television production company has spent

1474
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:48,179
four million dollars malaria and I feel

1475
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:51,299
so you know uh this could be considered

1476
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:53,460
sort of a tip for Tat situation like

1477
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:56,880
well uh we're we as a community might

1478
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,580
benefit economically so we should work

1479
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:01,440
together and here's here's some

1480
01:10:08,209 --> 01:10:04,440
Consulting money I feel like you and and

1481
01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:08,219
your counterparts are are doing your

1482
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,199
best to try to disparage and tear down

1483
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:12,179
something that the community openly

1484
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,719
Embraces and is thankful for we work so

1485
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:17,640
hard to try to get people here in this

1486
01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:19,800
small community and it's disheartening

1487
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:21,780
when we have outside individuals with no

1488
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,080
stake or interest in the local area come

1489
01:10:30,669 --> 01:10:27,840
in and you didn't mention any of the

1490
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:30,679
economic that's in your article

1491
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:33,780
yeah well he asked you to comment you

1492
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:35,100
could have given him the economic

1493
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:37,320
benefits for his article but Thomas

1494
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:40,860
winterson uh Winterton chose not to that

1495
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:42,900
that's the purpose of Tourism travel

1496
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:45,659
tourism budgets is to actually draw in

1497
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:47,699
tourism I feel like you guys are

1498
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:50,460
attacking us and and I have I feel like

1499
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,860
you guys are not being honest with us as

1500
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,239
far as the intentions behind this

1501
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:56,340
because one of your counterparts I feel

1502
01:11:00,729 --> 01:10:58,500
has a serious acts to grind with the

1503
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:00,739
Skinwalker Ranch crew

1504
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,620
yeah he's talking about the fact that uh

1505
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:07,140
Erica Lukes was a victim of domestic

1506
01:11:11,290 --> 01:11:09,560
violence at the hands of a former

1507
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:11,300
Skinwalker

1508
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:14,760
uh security guard

1509
01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:17,400
that's what's motivated so maybe I I

1510
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,380
would love to give you a chance to speak

1511
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:22,140
to that and and because I don't want

1512
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:23,880
this to be one-sided either you need the

1513
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:26,460
chance to be able to uh answer that as

1514
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:28,500
well and I'll get you right yeah it's

1515
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:31,140
great Thomas winner didn't work with a

1516
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,540
woman beater right so he's saying it's

1517
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:35,880
because that woman got beat up by my

1518
01:11:41,209 --> 01:11:38,760
woman beater security guard that's why

1519
01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:41,219
you're doing this this to me right

1520
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:43,620
that's why you're scrutinizing this

1521
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:46,500
whole payoff situation right

1522
01:11:50,649 --> 01:11:49,260
every time you need to answer that thank

1523
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:50,659
you

1524
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,480
personally I have written about the UFO

1525
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:57,840
community and the people that populate

1526
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:02,880
it for uh I started a Blog in 2010 and

1527
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:05,880
was interested long before that and I

1528
01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:09,360
have a couple of self-published books uh

1529
01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:12,860
about the narratives and the social

1530
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:17,219
circumstances that surround the

1531
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:21,000
um unsupported stories unverified claims

1532
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,540
that uh often intermingle with the

1533
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:27,360
intelligence community so personally

1534
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:31,080
that's part of of my interest yeah I

1535
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:32,159
began

1536
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:34,980
um interacting and collaborating with

1537
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,400
Erica Lutz about four years ago

1538
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:41,760
and since found her to be one of the

1539
01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:46,080
better informed people as far as the

1540
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,780
players and the U.N to base and and

1541
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:51,360
that's true stories yeah of the area and

1542
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:53,940
there's a dino beaver song I'm proud to

1543
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:56,880
work with her at expanding Frontiers

1544
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,460
research

1545
01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:01,199
um

1546
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:08,090
I gotta notice that that we're out of

1547
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:11,820
time but I um

1548
01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:15,900
you still got 10 minutes I I'm I'm proud

1549
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:17,880
to work with her

1550
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:21,120
and my interest

1551
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:24,600
um I'll I'll tell you frankly as I begin

1552
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:27,540
to send emails and ask people for

1553
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:32,880
comment as I conducted grammar requests

1554
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:33,659
um

1555
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:37,140
I I do not doubt that you and some of

1556
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,020
some of the people in your area feel

1557
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:43,199
targeted and attacked from my

1558
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,920
perspective it felt more like a thread

1559
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:48,900
of entitlement

1560
01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:53,400
of being asked to have transparency of

1561
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:54,780
government

1562
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,480
and one of the things that particularly

1563
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,520
interested yeah a bunch of City

1564
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:02,400
officials are running UFO conventions

1565
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:05,880
and paying off local TV stars and Jack

1566
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:08,280
Brewer is a bad guy for reporting about

1567
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:13,199
it right about phenomicon was that we

1568
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:16,140
get into a whole different set of

1569
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:20,940
circumstances when we take uh these

1570
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:24,120
stories and these conferences and the

1571
01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:27,960
capitalist elements of it and have

1572
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:31,580
County governments funding it and and

1573
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:34,440
money gets and

1574
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:37,080
um what I I sometimes refer to as the

1575
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,440
UFO Carnival business

1576
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:43,080
um as far though is targeting you for

1577
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,520
instance I also have uh request into the

1578
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:50,880
city of Roswell and I'm expecting them

1579
01:14:57,709 --> 01:14:54,239
um any day literally maybe in my post

1580
01:15:00,110 --> 01:14:57,719
office box now as well check it out I

1581
01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:00,120
anticipate writing about them as well

1582
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:05,340
and seeing how how that shapes up

1583
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:07,620
um does that adequately answer your

1584
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:12,950
yeah and look I'm all about transparency

1585
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:15,780
I'm very proud of everything that we've

1586
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:17,100
accomplished here

1587
01:15:21,169 --> 01:15:19,260
the important thing is you're very proud

1588
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,179
of those paychecks that's all I care

1589
01:15:25,450 --> 01:15:23,040
about very proud of the paycheck I

1590
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,460
didn't feel that in your first article

1591
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:28,800
you even covered I mean any County in

1592
01:15:33,229 --> 01:15:31,679
the in the country if they could spend

1593
01:15:35,930 --> 01:15:33,239
nine thousand dollars you know the

1594
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:35,940
economic benefits to that uh this year

1595
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:38,340
are well north of six hundred thousand

1596
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:39,900
dollars for one week that's direct

1597
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,300
dollars pumped into you in a county if

1598
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:44,159
you and where is he getting the numbers

1599
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:46,440
of six hundred thousand dollars was

1600
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:49,140
pumped into this little County in Utah

1601
01:15:54,649 --> 01:15:51,480
oh I'm gonna have to start making some

1602
01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:54,659
phone calls Thomas Winterton right you

1603
01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:56,360
should have just kept your mouth shut

1604
01:16:04,250 --> 01:15:59,880
anyone that supports that yeah where's

1605
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:04,260
the data provide me to put in an article

1606
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:08,100
uh so the county uh you know the local

1607
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:11,460
Dumpling on a sheet of paper like an

1608
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,310
any of the trt tax reports have you

1609
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:21,120
looked at any of the sales tax reports

1610
01:16:26,810 --> 01:16:23,940
have you compared them it's hard because

1611
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:26,820
covid really put a ding in and this

1612
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,400
conference has been a godsend as far as

1613
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:31,980
its timing because kova just decimated

1614
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:34,620
the economies but yes that is actual

1615
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:37,080
hard numbers that travel and tourism can

1616
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:40,380
get now those numbers for this quarter

1617
01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:42,060
will not be out until the end of

1618
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:44,760
December because I should be out by now

1619
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:46,620
we could take a look there Thomas winner

1620
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:51,120
calculated from the previous uh

1621
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,219
um quarter but yes travel and tourism

1622
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:56,219
has actual numbers and if you I imagine

1623
01:17:01,790 --> 01:17:00,120
you read my post uh on oh thanks for

1624
01:17:04,729 --> 01:17:01,800
letting me know I never knew that it was

1625
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:04,739
easily Economist and an accountant okay

1626
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:07,260
good I'm glad that you let me know that

1627
01:17:11,649 --> 01:17:09,300
so that means he does have some

1628
01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:11,659
qualifications as far as

1629
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,580
uh as far as being able to run an

1630
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:17,760
economic development company uh good to

1631
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,300
know thank you for uh for the

1632
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:22,880
clarification

1633
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,360
yes sir okay so

1634
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:29,520
um if you go down if you look at that

1635
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:31,620
Facebook post and you go down on there I

1636
01:17:35,630 --> 01:17:33,480
have there are comments in there of

1637
01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:35,640
individuals that traveled there one

1638
01:17:38,810 --> 01:17:37,080
gentleman spent that said they spent

1639
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:38,820
over twenty five hundred dollars in you

1640
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:41,880
in a county during their week there uh I

1641
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:45,540
had the the owner of four brothers pizza

1642
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:49,140
in Vernal tell me that she saw uh I

1643
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:51,420
think she said her tax revenue alone for

1644
01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:53,640
her place for that week was a thousand

1645
01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,820
dollars now if if that's the tax revenue

1646
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:59,100
you can imagine how many pizzas that is

1647
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:01,560
uh because taxes represents a small

1648
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:04,620
portion of the actual cell so there are

1649
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:06,420
business owners when I go into

1650
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:09,179
restaurants I have people thanking me

1651
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:11,460
for phenomicon the local restaurants and

1652
01:18:20,090 --> 01:18:17,810
yeah one weekend where there's 800

1653
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:20,100
people eating at local restaurants I

1654
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:21,719
guess that would be a benefit but is

1655
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,360
that worth the the Apparently hundred

1656
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:26,400
and seventy five thousand dollars that

1657
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,140
these guys were paid

1658
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,960
you know I I just I I don't understand

1659
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,880
and by the way I was able to find

1660
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:34,920
there's something called Inner Mountain

1661
01:18:43,010 --> 01:18:37,679
economic Consulting and Thomas winterson

1662
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:43,020
is shown as a managing director

1663
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:45,540
um and we'll share that uh so you know I

1664
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,060
apologize for the question it is a valid

1665
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:51,060
question what uh qualifications does he

1666
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:53,100
have uh if he's an economist an

1667
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:56,760
accountant maybe yeah sure we'll give

1668
01:19:01,550 --> 01:18:58,620
him that giving you the benefit of the

1669
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,560
doubt that all of us giving you the

1670
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:04,020
benefit of the doubt that all of that is

1671
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,790
do you not see a conflict of interest in

1672
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,679
County Government

1673
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,360
enabling

1674
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,640
stories about

1675
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:24,000
um dog minute ranches in order to get

1676
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:25,860
that

1677
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,659
county also puts on oh you're in energy

1678
01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:35,760
something

1679
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:40,260
you down no I see Zero conflicts

1680
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,540
no different than yeah

1681
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:45,120
essentially the local community is

1682
01:19:51,229 --> 01:19:48,179
encouraging stories about werewolves

1683
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:51,239
with no evidence and no proof stories

1684
01:19:58,910 --> 01:19:55,199
about uh dino beavers with no evidence

1685
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:58,920
and no proof as well as the multiple you

1686
01:20:03,649 --> 01:20:01,620
know a hundred stories of fake

1687
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:03,659
paranormal activity on a television show

1688
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,880
the local community is essentially

1689
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:08,159
endorsing that so that they could get

1690
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:10,860
some tourism money out of it that is a

1691
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:12,900
conflict of interest and it's an Ethics

1692
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:15,659
lapse on the part of the local officials

1693
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:18,420
because they are essentially endorsing

1694
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:21,719
the Skinwalker Ranch scam

1695
01:20:28,370 --> 01:20:25,199
by paying these guys to help them get

1696
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,380
tourism dollars it appears to me having

1697
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:30,120
looked at this situation in Jack

1698
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,820
Brewer's article that the local

1699
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,500
officials figured out that they could

1700
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,440
get in on it so let's pay these guys and

1701
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,360
they'll help us get in on it and the

1702
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:41,580
whole Community will benefit and all we

1703
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:44,699
have to do is endure stories of smoking

1704
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:48,239
dogmen right that's all we have to do

1705
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:51,360
on a regular basis paid bring in paid

1706
01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:53,340
speakers to speak at conference one

1707
01:20:59,149 --> 01:20:56,580
example the energy conference over at uh

1708
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:59,159
western or over in Vernal I don't they

1709
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:01,020
bring in speakers remotely comparable

1710
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:05,340
but I I understand your art well it's

1711
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:08,640
but it's topics that that the county may

1712
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:10,199
or may not they're not saying they

1713
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:12,600
condone it this is all about promoting

1714
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,760
Economic Development nowhere does the

1715
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:16,860
county say we are getting behind what

1716
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:19,739
Travis or Thomas or or any of the other

1717
01:21:26,030 --> 01:21:23,280
people uh claimed yeah uh yes they are

1718
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:26,040
they are endorsing it by paying you and

1719
01:21:32,689 --> 01:21:28,260
holding conferences where you're telling

1720
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:32,699
people this nightmarish uh you know list

1721
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:35,159
of fake stories

1722
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:38,460
they are endorsing it by being in

1723
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,820
business with you Thomas Winterton it's

1724
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:43,800
simply trying all they care about is

1725
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:46,140
that people come stay in the hotels and

1726
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,580
spend their money at restaurants and as

1727
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:49,679
long as at the end of the day the money

1728
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:52,980
they spend on the conference is less

1729
01:21:57,229 --> 01:21:54,900
than the money that they earn on the

1730
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:57,239
taxes and and the and the revenue then

1731
01:22:00,169 --> 01:21:58,920
it's a net positive for the county

1732
01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:00,179
that's all they care they're not

1733
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,140
condoning or or endorsing any of us by I

1734
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,239
beg to differ by being in business with

1735
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,120
them that's an endorsement it's a stamp

1736
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:11,820
of approval from the local County on the

1737
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,820
Skinwalker Ranch claims which are

1738
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,760
various and absolutely ridiculous this

1739
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,199
guy's going to sit there with a straight

1740
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,880
face while people are running around

1741
01:22:25,850 --> 01:22:23,040
telling stories of werewolves and dogmen

1742
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,860
and Dino beavers and portals and aliens

1743
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:27,780
and shape shifters

1744
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:30,120
and say that the government is not

1745
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:32,040
endorsing that by being in business with

1746
01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:34,860
them not endorsing it by paying them to

1747
01:22:39,649 --> 01:22:37,500
participate to hold a conference in

1748
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:39,659
their local area of course it's an

1749
01:22:44,930 --> 01:22:41,820
endorsement Jack Brewer is 100 right on

1750
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:44,940
this hey and and I can prove that by the

1751
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:46,739
fact that they bring in regularly

1752
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,500
speakers for all different topics and

1753
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:51,060
subjects for which they don't they're

1754
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:53,159
not saying they endorse them they're

1755
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,120
just providing a venue all right I want

1756
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,520
to thank you for spending some time with

1757
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:01,800
me and and putting your statements on

1758
01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:04,760
the record I appreciate it

1759
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:06,659
thank you for having a civil

1760
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:10,380
conversation and uh and and being able

1761
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:12,600
to give me a chance to speak to this I I

1762
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:14,699
respect that and I appreciate that thank

1763
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:17,219
you all right that's it we made it we

1764
01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:20,520
made it uh interesting Jack Brewer's

1765
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,260
doing some interesting work and isn't it

1766
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:24,719
isn't it wonderful

1767
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,080
um that these people once they you know

1768
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,719
get called to the carpet

1769
01:23:36,649 --> 01:23:33,120
um but I'm going to share this because I

1770
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,659
was an error I looked I I believe I

1771
01:23:42,189 --> 01:23:38,400
looked previously to see what his

1772
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:42,199
education or his uh qualifications are

1773
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:45,780
he's a Thomas is a lifelong resident and

1774
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:49,380
entrepreneur in the uh in the Uintah

1775
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:52,560
Basin with experience as a small

1776
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:56,280
business owner General contact tractor

1777
01:24:01,610 --> 01:23:59,460
and project manager spanning a wide

1778
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:01,620
range of activities well that's pretty

1779
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:05,159
vague though he's the president of the

1780
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:07,739
Roosevelt Rotary Club chairman of the

1781
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,300
Republican Party

1782
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:11,460
Utah Republican party State Central

1783
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:13,080
Committee Member chairman of the board

1784
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:15,480
of one heart Bulgaria and has served in

1785
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:18,540
the advisory panel for the Uintah Basin

1786
01:24:23,149 --> 01:24:20,520
applied Technology Center

1787
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,159
and this is his business with Brandon

1788
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:25,679
fugle who's the chairman and Thomas

1789
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,640
winterson is the managing director

1790
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:31,620
um yeah great and there's a phone number

1791
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:34,739
here so uh I'll try to call them and ask

1792
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:37,320
them for the data on what economic

1793
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:40,500
development that they have uh provided

1794
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,900
and I would like to know exactly how

1795
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:45,600
much money was paid to Skinwalker Ranch

1796
01:24:52,189 --> 01:24:48,960
members Associates some of it is

1797
01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:52,199
available on Jack Brewer's website but

1798
01:24:56,689 --> 01:24:53,640
interesting

1799
01:24:59,149 --> 01:24:56,699
I don't see anything about his education

1800
01:25:01,130 --> 01:24:59,159
because you know I'm sorry if you're

1801
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:01,140
going to take contracts for economic

1802
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:02,699
development you should have some

1803
01:25:09,530 --> 01:25:05,100
training and economics if he does great

1804
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:09,540
but for him uh but you know I still

1805
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:13,140
think that this looks a little shady

1806
01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:16,500
um and and that's all I'm gonna say uh

1807
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,040
yeah I'm looking at LinkedIn uh and I

1808
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:22,800
don't there's 10 Thomas wintertons so

1809
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:24,900
I'm gonna have to do that off air but

1810
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:26,280
we'll do an update about Thomas

1811
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:28,860
Winterton his education his

1812
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:31,080
qualifications to provide economic

1813
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,300
development services for local

1814
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:35,340
governments

1815
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:38,760
um uh would be interesting to see when

1816
01:25:41,950 --> 01:25:40,380
this

1817
01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:41,960
um

1818
01:25:46,729 --> 01:25:44,760
Intermountain economic Consulting was

1819
01:25:49,729 --> 01:25:46,739
formed let's see if they show anything

1820
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:49,739
in the in the about a nice office

1821
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,020
building that's a stock photo I doubt

1822
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:54,000
that's their real

1823
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:55,679
building

1824
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:56,820
um

1825
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,340
full service Economic Development firm

1826
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:01,679
based in Salt Lake City Utah with an

1827
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:04,560
office and a U.N top Basin with

1828
01:26:10,270 --> 01:26:07,020
expertise and look this is what they do

1829
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:10,280
location advisory incentives negotiation

1830
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:15,360
great so the pay us Consulting fees and

1831
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,300
then we'll do incentives negotiation and

1832
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,639
tell you people how much you should pay

1833
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:22,560
us to appear at a conference we're

1834
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:24,840
involved in Economic Development

1835
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:27,659
Consulting and development advocacy the

1836
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:29,580
founders of The Firm Brandon fuel Thomas

1837
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,280
Winterton and Jim Morris have combined

1838
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:33,840
experience in the areas of commercial

1839
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:36,120
real estate development Economic

1840
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:38,340
Development international trade and

1841
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:39,480
development

1842
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,699
over 80 years I guess that's between us

1843
01:26:49,790 --> 01:26:46,980
law Cramer serves as a special advisor

1844
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:49,800
and ongoing consultant in Intermountain

1845
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,500
economic consultant the principal firm

1846
01:26:57,410 --> 01:26:55,679
yeah it doesn't say like when they uh

1847
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,420
when they started the business because

1848
01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:01,199
it'd be interested this is says 2021

1849
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:03,000
it would be interesting to see if they

1850
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:04,920
just started this to funnel money

1851
01:27:10,610 --> 01:27:08,340
through the local community to them

1852
01:27:13,149 --> 01:27:10,620
um but these are all things that we will

1853
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,159
have to research more offline

1854
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:16,320
uh and yes Philharmonica says they have

1855
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:18,360
also been using Native American legends

1856
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:20,040
to push this narrative

1857
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:21,960
I agree

1858
01:27:26,770 --> 01:27:24,360
yeah qualifications well connected good

1859
01:27:31,129 --> 01:27:26,780
old boy yeah it would appear that way

1860
01:27:34,669 --> 01:27:31,139
absolutely so uh along with that

1861
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,679
um part of the skinwalker controversy of

1862
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,239
late

1863
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,840
we should also certainly mention that uh

1864
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:41,520
Stephen Green Street

1865
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:45,800
Steven greenstreet's piece uh

1866
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:49,860
oh no another one yeah I remember what I

1867
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:52,380
said that Brandon fugle was now he's

1868
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:56,159
blocking women content creators who ask

1869
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:57,780
him questions

1870
01:28:01,570 --> 01:27:59,400
uh

1871
01:28:04,189 --> 01:28:01,580
great

1872
01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:04,199
Brandon fugel oh no Brandon fugel

1873
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:06,300
blocked Stephen Green Street and she

1874
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,580
says so sorry to see it end like this

1875
01:28:14,830 --> 01:28:10,560
yeah I think they had a little bit of a

1876
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:14,840
bromance going right interesting that uh

1877
01:28:19,930 --> 01:28:16,980
fugel said a lot of nice stuff about

1878
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:19,940
Green Street uh but then you know

1879
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:22,500
inevitably when green Street's piece

1880
01:28:27,550 --> 01:28:24,300
came out he didn't want to be friendly

1881
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:27,560
anymore right he he just wanted to uh

1882
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,880
block him on Twitter

1883
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,880
great uh and I'm trying to find it I

1884
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,800
want to show you what you get for your

1885
01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:36,719
extra money

1886
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,719
um and again this is fair use this is a

1887
01:28:45,169 --> 01:28:42,000
transformative work Stephen Green Street

1888
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:45,179
posted this uh somebody posted the whole

1889
01:28:50,450 --> 01:28:48,420
thing but here Travis Taylor the star of

1890
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:50,460
Brandon fugle's The Secret of Skinwalker

1891
01:28:54,890 --> 01:28:52,860
Ranch on the history claims the

1892
01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:54,900
Paranormal hitchhiker one gave Jay

1893
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:57,179
stratton's Jay stratton's neighbor

1894
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:01,520
cancer two killed Robert Bigelow's wife

1895
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:04,620
uh yeah so uh you know it gets pretty

1896
01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:08,400
deep and this is from a VIP lunch

1897
01:29:15,470 --> 01:29:11,580
if you spent the 500 or whatever it

1898
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:15,480
costs to uh attend phenomicon and and

1899
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:18,420
hang out with the uh and listen to the

1900
01:29:22,729 --> 01:29:20,580
you know fake stories with no evidence

1901
01:29:24,169 --> 01:29:22,739
from the skinwalker Stars including

1902
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:24,179
Travis Taylor

1903
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,020
uh you can also pay uh an extra fee and

1904
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,239
have lunch with Travis Taylor and and

1905
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:32,880
then you get the good stuff good stuff

1906
01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:35,840
that uh I don't believe Travis Taylor

1907
01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:39,060
was aware that he was being filmed and

1908
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,940
recorded while he was saying this stuff

1909
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:43,440
and I just want to mention for the

1910
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:46,620
benefit of everyone within the sound of

1911
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:47,880
my voice

1912
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:52,440
a lot of these UFO con artist grifters

1913
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:54,900
um a lot of them

1914
01:30:02,990 --> 01:30:00,000
I am aware that they say things

1915
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:03,000
off stage that they would never want

1916
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:06,060
people to hear that they said and I

1917
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:07,860
think this is one of those circumstances

1918
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:11,040
because he makes a lot of out there

1919
01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:13,920
really Wackadoo claims right here

1920
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,199
uh let's get into it

1921
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:17,520
I don't know if you guys are aware of

1922
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:19,800
this thing called The Hitchhiker but

1923
01:30:26,450 --> 01:30:21,780
it's been

1924
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:28,070
the big little era

1925
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:30,360
in fact I know I know who coined the

1926
01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:32,219
term which I know

1927
01:30:38,810 --> 01:30:34,380
he has it probably it's okay for me to

1928
01:30:38,820 --> 01:30:42,290
it's basically actual rod

1929
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,090
I know actual rock very well yes

1930
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:45,840
Kirkpatrick

1931
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,080
the head of the current government UFO

1932
01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:51,360
program Arrow

1933
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:53,820
and all that stuff is I've measured with

1934
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:55,860
scientific instruments in this house

1935
01:31:01,010 --> 01:30:59,340
okay great he measured scientific he

1936
01:31:03,550 --> 01:31:01,020
measured The Hitchhiker effect with

1937
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,560
scientific instruments in Mr

1938
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:05,760
Kirkpatrick's house

1939
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:08,040
so can we get that data Travis Taylor

1940
01:31:12,770 --> 01:31:09,960
you wouldn't be just making this stuff

1941
01:31:14,930 --> 01:31:12,780
up would you can we get the data

1942
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:14,940
freaky

1943
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:17,280
um we've had simultaneous events occur

1944
01:31:23,450 --> 01:31:20,460
at his house my house and in a house in

1945
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:23,460
the U.S Basin wow uh all at once that

1946
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:24,600
we've measured

1947
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:27,179
uh I mean within a microsecond if

1948
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:28,980
they've measured it then they have data

1949
01:31:33,530 --> 01:31:29,940
available

1950
01:31:35,570 --> 01:31:33,540
Stephen Green Street and uh and Mick

1951
01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:35,580
West have been asking to see the data

1952
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:39,780
and all they get is uh videos of what is

1953
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,120
likely bugs flying in front of a camera

1954
01:31:46,970 --> 01:31:44,159
or other nonsense

1955
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:46,980
Brandon Fugal has not released any data

1956
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,920
and neither has Travis Taylor but here

1957
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,840
he is talking to people that are paying

1958
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:53,760
hundreds of dollars to have lunch with

1959
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:56,340
him because he's a big star you know he

1960
01:32:02,810 --> 01:31:59,820
plays Ghostbusters on TV uh and UFO

1961
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:02,820
Hunter man on TV an alien invasion guy

1962
01:32:06,649 --> 01:32:04,860
on TV

1963
01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:06,659
um as well as hillbilly scientists

1964
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:09,960
making Rockets out of moonshine great

1965
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:12,239
um and and by the way I built Rockets

1966
01:32:15,970 --> 01:32:14,280
growing up as as a kid I still build

1967
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:15,980
Rockets I

1968
01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:18,719
no matter what I say about Travis Taylor

1969
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:20,760
if I got a chance to build a moonshine

1970
01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:22,440
rocket with him I would so I'm not

1971
01:32:28,129 --> 01:32:25,080
slagging him for that but what I am

1972
01:32:31,490 --> 01:32:28,139
slagging him for is claiming that he has

1973
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:31,500
all of this data while he is talking to

1974
01:32:34,850 --> 01:32:33,239
big fans of the show who are paying

1975
01:32:37,070 --> 01:32:34,860
hundreds of dollars to have lunch with

1976
01:32:40,250 --> 01:32:37,080
him that's this is the good stuff that

1977
01:32:43,070 --> 01:32:40,260
you only get if you pay the extra money

1978
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:43,080
is he lying to all those people who paid

1979
01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:44,639
hundreds of dollars

1980
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:47,460
could we see the data Travis Taylor you

1981
01:32:51,950 --> 01:32:49,320
claim that you have data from sensor

1982
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:51,960
readings can we get copies of all that

1983
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,800
data and if so why not you told these

1984
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:58,320
people who were paying to hear this

1985
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,199
information and let's be clear if he's

1986
01:33:05,689 --> 01:33:03,120
lying to people that are paying hundreds

1987
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:05,699
of dollars to get this so-called secret

1988
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,520
Insider information I feel like that's

1989
01:33:13,490 --> 01:33:10,880
part of uh that's

1990
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:13,500
that's dangerously close to something

1991
01:33:18,290 --> 01:33:16,260
that many people I'm sure would consider

1992
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,300
Consumer Fraud these people paid

1993
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:20,639
hundreds of dollars to get the inside

1994
01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:23,820
scoop he's saying all of these things

1995
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:26,040
happened and we have data to support it

1996
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:29,520
where is the data or is he lying to

1997
01:33:40,669 --> 01:33:35,870
which and uh

1998
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:40,679
but the the worst phenomena

1999
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:43,260
is uh there have been a couple of people

2000
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,520
who

2001
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:47,040
uh had the

2002
01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:49,620
I guess you call them orbs whatever in

2003
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:51,000
their house

2004
01:34:01,090 --> 01:33:58,199
yeah and uh well the uh one of the

2005
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:01,100
neighbors of

2006
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:03,000
actual rod

2007
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:06,540
had an orb fly through them

2008
01:34:15,410 --> 01:34:11,820
and they ended up with a very uh

2009
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,420
dangerous form of cancer from it and so

2010
01:34:21,169 --> 01:34:18,719
let's be very clear Travis Taylor is at

2011
01:34:24,290 --> 01:34:21,179
a VIP lunch where people paid hundreds

2012
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:24,300
of dollars and he's claiming that a

2013
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:27,000
neighbor of Kirkpatrick the person who

2014
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:30,780
runs Arrow had an orb hitchhiked to him

2015
01:34:35,209 --> 01:34:33,420
from Skinwalker Ranch and caused him to

2016
01:34:38,330 --> 01:34:35,219
have cancer can we see the medical

2017
01:34:40,610 --> 01:34:38,340
records do we have medical confirmation

2018
01:34:43,610 --> 01:34:40,620
do we have doctors confirming that this

2019
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,620
guy got cancer from an orb

2020
01:34:48,129 --> 01:34:45,420
or did the guy just get cancer and

2021
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:48,139
happen to live near

2022
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:50,639
Axelrod which is a code word for

2023
01:34:56,209 --> 01:34:54,360
Kirkpatrick you know this is ridiculous

2024
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:56,219
people are paying hundreds of dollars

2025
01:35:00,830 --> 01:34:58,260
and this is what you're telling them

2026
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:00,840
that orbs from the Skinwalker Ranch

2027
01:35:05,629 --> 01:35:02,940
somehow attach themselves with this

2028
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:05,639
hitchhiker effect to Kirkpatrick and

2029
01:35:09,709 --> 01:35:07,500
then one of his neighbors had an orb

2030
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:09,719
from skinwalk or Ranch fly through him

2031
01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:12,120
and he got cancer but it gets even

2032
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:14,100
crazier because next he's going to claim

2033
01:35:20,930 --> 01:35:17,340
that Bigelow's wife got killed by stuff

2034
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:20,940
from Skinwalker right and I don't think

2035
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,760
she I think she's still alive but she's

2036
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,159
having to go through all sorts of

2037
01:35:31,129 --> 01:35:28,800
chemo and radiation treatments like that

2038
01:35:33,530 --> 01:35:31,139
to try and keep from that now and now

2039
01:35:36,649 --> 01:35:33,540
Bigelow reason he got rid of the place

2040
01:35:39,229 --> 01:35:36,659
was he was convinced he killed his wife

2041
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:39,239
and uh so I would call those pretty

2042
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:42,719
drastic hitchhiker phenomena

2043
01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:45,480
this is absolutely ridiculous the fact

2044
01:35:50,570 --> 01:35:48,179
that this man is accepting money from

2045
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:50,580
all these people and he's telling these

2046
01:35:55,570 --> 01:35:52,500
stories

2047
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:55,580
absolutely absolutely ridiculous

2048
01:36:00,590 --> 01:35:58,139
absolutely ridiculous but there's more

2049
01:36:03,229 --> 01:36:00,600
and it gets

2050
01:36:05,450 --> 01:36:03,239
it gets more ridiculous it gets more

2051
01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:05,460
ridiculous of course it does because

2052
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,739
welcome to the circus welcome to the

2053
01:36:13,209 --> 01:36:10,080
circus friends

2054
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:13,219
um and uh I just want to play a piece of

2055
01:36:29,930 --> 01:36:24,649
this is uh transformative work again

2056
01:36:33,229 --> 01:36:29,940
uh meet Jay Axelrod oh I'm sorry uh this

2057
01:36:36,169 --> 01:36:33,239
is Jay Stratton is Axelrod I'm sorry not

2058
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:36,179
Mr Kirkpatrick I'm getting these new

2059
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:39,420
players confused so I apologize Jay

2060
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:43,020
Stratton uh who was involved with offsap

2061
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,080
not with arrow I apologize and and

2062
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:48,719
please accept this as a correction the

2063
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:51,840
Axelrod mentioned in George Knapp's

2064
01:36:57,290 --> 01:36:55,199
books under a code word right uh and

2065
01:37:01,610 --> 01:36:57,300
many people have called him that Axelrod

2066
01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:01,620
is actually J Stratton uh and he ran

2067
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,380
offsap which was the predecessor to Lou

2068
01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:06,719
elizondo's claimed UFO program that

2069
01:37:13,129 --> 01:37:10,139
never existed called the atip

2070
01:37:15,050 --> 01:37:13,139
this is Jay Stratton he was a naval

2071
01:37:18,110 --> 01:37:15,060
intelligence officer who over the course

2072
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:18,120
of 30 years held many positions in the

2073
01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:20,040
Department of Defense

2074
01:37:24,890 --> 01:37:22,500
many don't know his name because he's

2075
01:37:27,169 --> 01:37:24,900
only just recently retired and made his

2076
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,179
first public appearances yeah and where

2077
01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:29,040
is his first public appearance at

2078
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:30,540
aliencon

2079
01:37:35,450 --> 01:37:33,360
I think that seems very appropriate and

2080
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:35,460
just to be clear

2081
01:37:43,450 --> 01:37:39,360
Travis Taylor is saying that Axelrod

2082
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,460
here visited the ranch and then he took

2083
01:37:49,570 --> 01:37:46,400
hitchhiker entities back to his house

2084
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:49,580
and then those same hitchhiker entities

2085
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:52,980
somehow formed a spirit orb which then

2086
01:37:57,770 --> 01:37:56,159
went to his neighbor's house and gave

2087
01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:57,780
his neighbors cancer

2088
01:38:02,510 --> 01:37:59,940
great

2089
01:38:05,209 --> 01:38:02,520
why would you let people on a ranch that

2090
01:38:06,729 --> 01:38:05,219
was giving people cancer uh I don't know

2091
01:38:09,709 --> 01:38:06,739
good question

2092
01:38:12,410 --> 01:38:09,719
but while in the government Stratton was

2093
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:12,420
involved with UFOs and Skinwalker Ranch

2094
01:38:18,530 --> 01:38:15,840
for at least 15 years 15 years this guy

2095
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:18,540
made money off of UFOs and Skinwalker

2096
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:20,100
Ranch

2097
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:22,980
in 2007 Stratton says he read the book

2098
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:25,440
hunt for the skinwalker along with his

2099
01:38:30,649 --> 01:38:27,540
co-worker James lukatsky and it's

2100
01:38:33,169 --> 01:38:30,659
important to realize uh that this book

2101
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:33,179
is the George Knapp book that is filled

2102
01:38:38,209 --> 01:38:35,460
with spooky Sports stories they claimed

2103
01:38:40,490 --> 01:38:38,219
they had all this evidence for but when

2104
01:38:43,129 --> 01:38:40,500
pressed for the evidence by Joe Rogan

2105
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,139
George Knapp admitted that they had no

2106
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,080
evidence and these two clowns read this

2107
01:38:50,209 --> 01:38:48,000
book which claimed to have evidence

2108
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:50,219
which turns out there is no evidence and

2109
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,260
they were all chips in on the Skinwalker

2110
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:53,760
Ranch thing

2111
01:38:59,390 --> 01:38:56,760
at the defense intelligence agency our

2112
01:39:01,850 --> 01:38:59,400
previous report debunks many aspects of

2113
01:39:04,669 --> 01:39:01,860
this book which contains many spooky

2114
01:39:07,070 --> 01:39:04,679
stories but provides no evidence at all

2115
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:07,080
to back up any of them no evidence at

2116
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,060
all to back up any of the claims Bigfoot

2117
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,520
like creatures on the ranch werewolves

2118
01:39:17,090 --> 01:39:13,760
on the Range Dino beavers on the ranch

2119
01:39:18,350 --> 01:39:17,100
shapeshifters alien Predators UFOs and

2120
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:18,360
more

2121
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:21,960
and don't forget the smoking dog man

2122
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:24,780
despite this both Stratton and lakatski

2123
01:39:30,669 --> 01:39:27,420
were fascinated by the book and its

2124
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:30,679
stories of UFOs ghosts and monsters

2125
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:33,600
lakatski lobbied Senator Harry Reid to

2126
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:36,960
acquire 22 million dollars to study UFOs

2127
01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:39,300
in skin walker Ranch yeah and just to be

2128
01:39:42,890 --> 01:39:41,340
clear that's what I was talking about at

2129
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,900
the beginning of the broadcast the

2130
01:39:48,590 --> 01:39:44,719
United States government

2131
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:48,600
wasted 22 million dollars uh giving

2132
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,060
essentially government insiders and Bob

2133
01:39:55,090 --> 01:39:53,520
Bigelow 22 million dollars to study his

2134
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,100
own range

2135
01:40:01,070 --> 01:39:58,320
was the director of this study a program

2136
01:40:02,570 --> 01:40:01,080
called ASAP and Stratton was a lead

2137
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,580
investigator

2138
01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:04,800
in laketsky self-published book about

2139
01:40:09,770 --> 01:40:07,739
OSAP he refers to George Knapp wasn't

2140
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,780
done cashing in on the skinwalker scam

2141
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:11,520
so then he did a book with Stratton

2142
01:40:17,390 --> 01:40:14,520
great Patton with a pseudonym Jonathan

2143
01:40:20,330 --> 01:40:17,400
Axelrod but it's now been confirmed to

2144
01:40:23,149 --> 01:40:20,340
me by multiple sources that Axelrod is

2145
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,159
Stratton the book says Stratton first

2146
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,920
went to Skinwalker Ranch in 2009 and

2147
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,560
while there he became possessed or

2148
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:31,280
infected with a poltergeist

2149
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:34,020
oh this is so stupid and that it

2150
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,000
followed him home and tormented his

2151
01:40:41,649 --> 01:40:38,820
family the following is a partial list

2152
01:40:45,050 --> 01:40:41,659
of what Stratton reportedly encountered

2153
01:40:48,410 --> 01:40:45,060
a huge wolf-like creature screaming

2154
01:40:53,050 --> 01:40:48,420
black shadowy humanoids nightmarish dog

2155
01:40:59,810 --> 01:40:57,050
shut down in 2012 Stratton continued his

2156
01:41:01,729 --> 01:40:59,820
pursuit of the Paranormal utilizing his

2157
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,739
position at the Pentagon to move the

2158
01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:04,560
needle it's reported that Stratton used

2159
01:41:10,129 --> 01:41:07,739
his clout to create an official UFO task

2160
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:10,139
force within the Pentagon he would then

2161
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,480
become the director of this task force

2162
01:41:16,910 --> 01:41:14,880
and that brings us back to stratton's

2163
01:41:19,610 --> 01:41:16,920
2019 meeting with Travis Taylor

2164
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,620
interesting very very interesting so it

2165
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,199
would appear

2166
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,000
that not just local government officials

2167
01:41:29,090 --> 01:41:26,000
want to get in on the skinwalker scam

2168
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:29,100
national government figures like people

2169
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,860
that work at the Pentagon uh several

2170
01:41:35,450 --> 01:41:33,780
people who worked at the Pentagon have

2171
01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:35,460
gotten in on the skinwalker scam

2172
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,760
including Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor

2173
01:41:43,370 --> 01:41:40,860
right Travis Taylor's getting huge

2174
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:43,380
paychecks now and he also worked for the

2175
01:41:50,450 --> 01:41:46,199
government with UFOs or the Pentagon uh

2176
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:50,460
offices that were interested in UFOs so

2177
01:41:56,750 --> 01:41:54,600
um just this is kind of ridiculous why

2178
01:42:02,030 --> 01:41:56,760
are our government officials wasting

2179
01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:02,040
taxpayer money on nonsense right and uh

2180
01:42:08,450 --> 01:42:04,260
but what what will happen

2181
01:42:11,629 --> 01:42:08,460
next is interesting so I mentioned in in

2182
01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:11,639
the thumbnail here that the that the you

2183
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:15,480
know the UFO grifters are panicking

2184
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:18,360
and all this negative attention heaped

2185
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:21,960
onto Skinwalker Ranch has not been good

2186
01:42:26,689 --> 01:42:23,280
for them

2187
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:26,699
we have the Scandal surrounding

2188
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:29,820
uncovered by Jack Brewer surrounding

2189
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,119
members of the Skinwalker Ranch getting

2190
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:35,520
paid by the local government for we're

2191
01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:39,360
still not sure what economic development

2192
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:42,060
um and by the way I'm going to look into

2193
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:45,300
that story separately and uh we'll do a

2194
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,560
special report on that next we get uh

2195
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:51,840
Stephen green Street's piece which just

2196
01:42:57,290 --> 01:42:55,199
obliterates obliterates this entire

2197
01:43:00,649 --> 01:42:57,300
story and by the way again I'm a

2198
01:43:03,770 --> 01:43:00,659
terrible show host so I am going to add

2199
01:43:06,109 --> 01:43:03,780
uh not that he needs a bump from me but

2200
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,119
for reference so that you can follow

2201
01:43:11,810 --> 01:43:09,119
along I highly recommend Steven green

2202
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:11,820
Street's uh latest piece

2203
01:43:18,109 --> 01:43:15,239
on the Skinwalker Ranch and that would

2204
01:43:20,689 --> 01:43:18,119
be his latest one it's called Skinwalker

2205
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:20,699
Ranch Judgment Day camping on the ranch

2206
01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:22,679
alone and New Revelations the basement

2207
01:43:28,609 --> 01:43:26,280
office and I'm gonna go over to our

2208
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,619
YouTube channel and just add it to the

2209
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:30,960
description of the video I apologize for

2210
01:43:37,070 --> 01:43:33,239
the delay here but if I don't do it now

2211
01:43:39,790 --> 01:43:37,080
sometimes I will forget to do it so

2212
01:43:42,830 --> 01:43:39,800
um here we go I'm gonna just put a

2213
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:42,840
basement Office episode

2214
01:43:48,530 --> 01:43:45,060
and the link will be in the description

2215
01:43:50,570 --> 01:43:48,540
of the video it was so good that I

2216
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,580
considered playing the whole thing here

2217
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:53,280
and doing commentary but quite honestly

2218
01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:55,739
one I don't know how Mr Green Street

2219
01:44:00,770 --> 01:43:57,780
feels about somebody playing an entire

2220
01:44:03,890 --> 01:44:00,780
video of his that's 40 minutes long or

2221
01:44:06,590 --> 01:44:03,900
something and uh you know uh doing

2222
01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:06,600
commentary on it and two

2223
01:44:11,149 --> 01:44:08,820
I don't think it needs commentary I

2224
01:44:13,970 --> 01:44:11,159
think that Green Street nailed

2225
01:44:16,609 --> 01:44:13,980
every aspect that he presented including

2226
01:44:18,649 --> 01:44:16,619
the fact that despite all the claims by

2227
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:18,659
Brandon fugel and others that this is

2228
01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:21,840
all about science all of his companies

2229
01:44:24,410 --> 01:44:23,340
are registered as entertainment

2230
01:44:27,229 --> 01:44:24,420
companies

2231
01:44:29,810 --> 01:44:27,239
this is a this is entertainment it's a

2232
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:29,820
goddamn circus and Brandon bugle is at

2233
01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:31,679
the center of it

2234
01:44:37,129 --> 01:44:34,380
um so I I have uh something else to

2235
01:44:38,510 --> 01:44:37,139
share which is

2236
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:38,520
uh

2237
01:44:46,729 --> 01:44:43,860
Colin kalanjo I'm not sure how to say

2238
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:46,739
her name so I'm sorry if I mangled that

2239
01:44:53,870 --> 01:44:50,400
Colin Jello Mike Colangelo on Twitter

2240
01:44:55,370 --> 01:44:53,880
it's at Mike Colin Jello you know uh

2241
01:44:58,129 --> 01:44:55,380
there are some people that are true

2242
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,139
believers that I can get along with and

2243
01:45:03,709 --> 01:45:00,719
might post a lot of great stuff and and

2244
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:03,719
I hate that I do this but I go to the

2245
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,880
Believers and see the clips that they're

2246
01:45:10,250 --> 01:45:08,159
sharing to support their arguments and

2247
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:10,260
then I say no it that doesn't really

2248
01:45:17,870 --> 01:45:14,159
support your the whole Carnival and and

2249
01:45:20,090 --> 01:45:17,880
circus here no this you know uh but he

2250
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:20,100
hasn't blocked me on Twitter so good for

2251
01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:24,000
him you know unlike other people

2252
01:45:27,770 --> 01:45:26,520
um who smell like vagina like Brandon

2253
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:27,780
fugle

2254
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:35,149
yeah when I got the noted when I went to

2255
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:36,960
Brandon fugle's Twitter for something

2256
01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:38,940
and realized that he had blocked me

2257
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:41,400
that's exactly what I thought I thought

2258
01:45:47,330 --> 01:45:44,880
I smell vagina Brandon fugel I smell

2259
01:45:49,790 --> 01:45:47,340
vagina Brandon bugle I definitely smell

2260
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:49,800
vagina you had to block me because I

2261
01:45:54,050 --> 01:45:51,960
asked some questions is he an

2262
01:45:55,609 --> 01:45:54,060
intellectual weakling is is he an

2263
01:45:58,490 --> 01:45:55,619
intellectual coward

2264
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:58,500
is is his so-called evidence of

2265
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:00,420
paranormal activity at the biggest

2266
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,840
Paranormal Activity hot spot on earth so

2267
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:06,480
weak he cannot withstand questions well

2268
01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:09,000
apparently so because he blocked me but

2269
01:46:13,310 --> 01:46:10,980
it is what it is

2270
01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:13,320
um I've learned to not care I take it as

2271
01:46:18,169 --> 01:46:15,239
a badge of honor that means I asked a

2272
01:46:23,770 --> 01:46:18,179
question he didn't want to answer so uh

2273
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:23,780
it is what it is uh but here uh

2274
01:46:29,209 --> 01:46:27,300
this is interesting uh because Brandon

2275
01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:29,219
fugel in this clip is saying that after

2276
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:31,380
Skinwalker Ranch season four you're

2277
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:34,380
gonna need therapy right are they upping

2278
01:46:39,649 --> 01:46:37,320
their grift and here's something I

2279
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:39,659
noticed we talked about the over promise

2280
01:46:44,570 --> 01:46:42,540
and under deliver that people do right

2281
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,580
people over promise and they under

2282
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:47,040
deliver that's what you got to do when

2283
01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:50,340
you're selling paranormal BS you have to

2284
01:46:56,030 --> 01:46:53,219
Hype it out the Wazoo these guys hype

2285
01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:56,040
bugs flying in front of a camera as oh

2286
01:47:01,970 --> 01:46:59,340
my God an orb oh my God Paranormal

2287
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:01,980
Activity it's a goddamn bug Brandon

2288
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:05,219
bugle and the fact that this clown has

2289
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:08,880
two scientists who can't stand up you

2290
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:11,760
know I think that there is I I want to

2291
01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:13,980
mention that I think that there is a

2292
01:47:19,729 --> 01:47:18,300
strange group dynamic going on with some

2293
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:19,739
of these guys involved in this

2294
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:23,280
Skinwalker scam and that is that they

2295
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:25,920
all want to find Paranormal Activity

2296
01:47:30,649 --> 01:47:27,960
they all have a vested financial

2297
01:47:32,750 --> 01:47:30,659
interest in finding Paranormal Activity

2298
01:47:35,810 --> 01:47:32,760
to show people so that they can keep

2299
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:35,820
those checks coming in but when pressed

2300
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:38,639
to show us your best evidence by Stephen

2301
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:40,380
Green Street and other journalists

2302
01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:43,920
they've got videos of nothing bugs one

2303
01:47:48,590 --> 01:47:46,500
look like a lightning bug to me and uh

2304
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,600
you know I have a cabin I film lightning

2305
01:47:52,090 --> 01:47:50,159
bugs all the time I'm pretty sure that

2306
01:47:54,649 --> 01:47:52,100
one video that they think is something

2307
01:47:56,990 --> 01:47:54,659
extraordinary is a lightning bug

2308
01:47:59,810 --> 01:47:57,000
you know uh the other one appeared to be

2309
01:48:04,370 --> 01:47:59,820
silkworms or something uh unexplainable

2310
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:04,380
sure but not definitively paranormal

2311
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:05,940
um and the fact that he has two

2312
01:48:11,689 --> 01:48:08,880
scientists that won't stand up and say

2313
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:11,699
that's bugs Brandon fugel we can't use

2314
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:15,300
it it's only bugs but no one has any

2315
01:48:21,169 --> 01:48:18,300
integrity that's working with or for him

2316
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,179
because they all have that Financial

2317
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,239
motive we gotta find paranormal stuff

2318
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:26,639
and if you happen to get a bug fly by a

2319
01:48:32,090 --> 01:48:29,100
camera that looks weird

2320
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,100
don't say it's not bugs

2321
01:48:37,970 --> 01:48:35,520
his two side he's got two scientists

2322
01:48:40,490 --> 01:48:37,980
you can clearly see some of this [\h__\h] as

2323
01:48:43,129 --> 01:48:40,500
bugs why doesn't one of the scientists

2324
01:48:45,649 --> 01:48:43,139
stand up and say this is bugs

2325
01:48:49,070 --> 01:48:45,659
because they're getting paid

2326
01:48:51,169 --> 01:48:49,080
play Ghostbusters and pretend that

2327
01:48:53,689 --> 01:48:51,179
they're seeing paranormal activity at

2328
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:53,699
that place I don't believe they are I

2329
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:54,780
don't believe that they're saying

2330
01:49:00,890 --> 01:48:57,119
paranormal anything there's just no

2331
01:49:03,470 --> 01:49:00,900
evidence for it but interestingly

2332
01:49:06,169 --> 01:49:03,480
in the in the midst of all this

2333
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:06,179
controversy hitting Skinwalker uh

2334
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:08,400
Brandon fugel is now going to do the

2335
01:49:13,129 --> 01:49:10,380
over promise and likely the under

2336
01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:13,139
deliver and kicking the can oh you want

2337
01:49:19,070 --> 01:49:15,900
evidence now just wait until next season

2338
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,080
of Skinwalker scam I mean Ranch the

2339
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:21,360
secret yeah just wait until next season

2340
01:49:25,729 --> 01:49:24,000
and you're gonna need therapy it's going

2341
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:25,739
to be so crazy

2342
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:30,060
so uh this is uh Mr fugel now promising

2343
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:33,600
huge things I suppose in the next season

2344
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:36,480
all right after season four some of you

2345
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,129
I'm serious it's gonna really [\h__\h]

2346
01:49:51,649 --> 01:49:49,490
shoot and who's sitting next to him you

2347
01:49:52,609 --> 01:49:51,659
know listen birds of a feather apply

2348
01:49:55,010 --> 01:49:52,619
here

2349
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:55,020
that's Leslie Keane who wrote a

2350
01:50:00,109 --> 01:49:57,179
completely and totally false factually

2351
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,119
inaccurate article to sell the whole

2352
01:50:06,590 --> 01:50:03,119
ttsa Lou Elizondo scan

2353
01:50:09,229 --> 01:50:06,600
and she's sitting right next to the guy

2354
01:50:10,189 --> 01:50:09,239
who I believe is running the skinwalker

2355
01:50:12,770 --> 01:50:10,199
scan

2356
01:50:16,189 --> 01:50:12,780
birds of a feather why would you

2357
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:16,199
associate with or work with somebody who

2358
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:18,420
was provably

2359
01:50:23,229 --> 01:50:19,760
probably

2360
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:23,239
manipulating the public selling provably

2361
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,400
fake false information

2362
01:50:32,169 --> 01:50:29,280
on purpose why would you do that Brandon

2363
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:32,179
fugle if you want to people to believe

2364
01:50:37,490 --> 01:50:35,280
that your Skinwalker Ranch claims are

2365
01:50:39,470 --> 01:50:37,500
credible why would you sit next to

2366
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:39,480
somebody that wrote a completely and

2367
01:50:46,609 --> 01:50:44,060
totally fake New York Times article

2368
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:46,619
claiming all kinds of things that turned

2369
01:50:53,149 --> 01:50:51,239
out to be 100 factually inaccurate right

2370
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:53,159
all of these grifters Griff together

2371
01:50:58,970 --> 01:50:55,980
that's how this works and they all

2372
01:51:01,850 --> 01:50:58,980
reinforce each other's delusions and

2373
01:51:03,169 --> 01:51:01,860
here Leslie Keane will help him sell his

2374
01:51:05,930 --> 01:51:03,179
[\h__\h]

2375
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:05,940
this is uh this is like I'm okay to say

2376
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:07,860
that

2377
01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:11,040
I it's been a long week

2378
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:12,900
that's the best plug you can give for

2379
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,940
season four

2380
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,520
yeah I can't wait I I really can't wait

2381
01:51:21,229 --> 01:51:19,440
and I can't wait for the Skeptics to see

2382
01:51:23,689 --> 01:51:21,239
what we have to unveil I've just been

2383
01:51:25,370 --> 01:51:23,699
like a cage day animal you have to get

2384
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:25,380
them to watch it that's the problem bite

2385
01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:27,719
my tongue so much online because I'm

2386
01:51:33,229 --> 01:51:30,540
like gosh if you people only knew yeah

2387
01:51:36,050 --> 01:51:33,239
if we only knew right

2388
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:36,060
so why didn't he show that information

2389
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:41,000
or that stuff when he was asked by

2390
01:51:45,410 --> 01:51:44,159
Stephen Green Street to see the best

2391
01:51:47,810 --> 01:51:45,420
evidence

2392
01:51:49,729 --> 01:51:47,820
oh because he had to Kick the Can right

2393
01:51:52,450 --> 01:51:49,739
you have to kick the can down the road

2394
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:52,460
oh just hold on

2395
01:51:58,129 --> 01:51:55,500
buckle up because next season's going to

2396
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:58,139
be crazy great I look forward to seeing

2397
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:01,199
that and uh I for one will be one of the

2398
01:52:06,530 --> 01:52:03,300
Skeptics watching that and I will be

2399
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:06,540
happy to uh sort of analyze whatever

2400
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,340
they have

2401
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:11,520
and I'm sure others will including

2402
01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:15,840
um including Mick West and and others of

2403
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,070
um

2404
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:22,080
yeah so that's all we've got for you on

2405
01:52:29,229 --> 01:52:26,400
the skinwalker scam and we're going to

2406
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:29,239
take a very very short break and

2407
01:52:38,450 --> 01:52:33,960
be back with our piece on Bob Lazar

2408
01:52:39,970 --> 01:52:38,460
space pimp exposed I was so proud I'm so

2409
01:52:43,129 --> 01:52:39,980
happy to see

2410
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,139
that our friend uh Alien scientist

2411
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,320
Jeremy rise got on concrete podcast and

2412
01:52:53,209 --> 01:52:48,480
on that podcast he got to drop some

2413
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,219
bombs on uh Bob Lazar Believers and uh

2414
01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:55,679
normally I don't like sort of uh click

2415
01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:58,500
payday titles but in this case it worked

2416
01:53:02,090 --> 01:53:01,080
they titled the explosive new Bob Lazar

2417
01:53:04,370 --> 01:53:02,100
evidence

2418
01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:04,380
which is interesting because none of the

2419
01:53:10,370 --> 01:53:06,840
evidence that Jeremy rise presented was

2420
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,380
new it was just new that somebody would

2421
01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:12,719
listen like a big podcast would listen

2422
01:53:16,850 --> 01:53:15,420
to all of this evidence that Bob Lazar

2423
01:53:19,490 --> 01:53:16,860
is a fraud

2424
01:53:20,990 --> 01:53:19,500
that has been out there for many many

2425
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:21,000
months

2426
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:28,970
we want to take a moment to remind

2427
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:30,840
everyone

2428
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:33,840
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01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,159
so

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01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:22,080
um our friend

2451
01:55:27,530 --> 01:55:25,320
Jeremy rise alien scientist

2452
01:55:29,810 --> 01:55:27,540
fighting a good fight for a long time as

2453
01:55:32,209 --> 01:55:29,820
long as me trying to scream from the

2454
01:55:34,430 --> 01:55:32,219
rooftops and tell people there's an

2455
01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:34,440
awful lot of evidence that Bob Lazar is

2456
01:55:42,649 --> 01:55:38,820
a convicted space pimp uh convicted pimp

2457
01:55:43,609 --> 01:55:42,659
who ran a whorehouse and was sort of not

2458
01:55:45,609 --> 01:55:43,619
what

2459
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:45,619
all the people selling that story

2460
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,000
claimed that he was uh so interestingly

2461
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:52,560
uh Jeremy rise got a chance to be on

2462
01:55:57,250 --> 01:55:55,920
concrete podcast who usually hosts all

2463
01:56:00,890 --> 01:55:57,260
the fraudsters

2464
01:56:04,729 --> 01:56:00,900
and people selling their uh

2465
01:56:09,890 --> 01:56:07,550
and to be quite honest I think that

2466
01:56:12,890 --> 01:56:09,900
concrete podcast tries to do a good job

2467
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:12,900
they just had bad personnel

2468
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,360
you know they got they got the wrong

2469
01:56:20,030 --> 01:56:17,280
people to come on their show and talk

2470
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:20,040
about UFOs I'm happy

2471
01:56:26,290 --> 01:56:23,520
I was happy to see that they got Jeremy

2472
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:26,300
um because uh you know

2473
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,880
Jeremy did a great job breaking down a

2474
01:56:37,070 --> 01:56:31,920
great deal of the evidence that Bob

2475
01:56:40,669 --> 01:56:37,080
Lazar is not who people claim he was and

2476
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:40,679
that the story is largely fake uh and a

2477
01:56:45,530 --> 01:56:42,320
for-profit

2478
01:56:49,490 --> 01:56:45,540
motive-driven uh you know it's a money

2479
01:56:53,330 --> 01:56:49,500
it's a cash cow that's what it is it is

2480
01:56:56,510 --> 01:56:53,340
a opportunity for people to make money

2481
01:56:58,970 --> 01:56:56,520
um so Jeremy rise to his credit he he

2482
01:57:03,050 --> 01:56:58,980
went all the way down to Florida hopped

2483
01:57:06,830 --> 01:57:03,060
on a plane to uh be on this podcast and

2484
01:57:08,930 --> 01:57:06,840
uh talk about uh Bob Lazar and good for

2485
01:57:11,149 --> 01:57:08,940
him I was happy to see him

2486
01:57:13,609 --> 01:57:11,159
um quite honestly

2487
01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:13,619
you know there's there's a few people

2488
01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:15,780
that could do this I'm one of them and

2489
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:17,699
he's one of them unfortunately because

2490
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,440
of my situation with my son I don't get

2491
01:57:23,870 --> 01:57:21,360
to travel very much you got to be here

2492
01:57:26,410 --> 01:57:23,880
to take care of him I was just so happy

2493
01:57:30,410 --> 01:57:26,420
to see that um

2494
01:57:33,310 --> 01:57:30,420
one very very large podcast I think they

2495
01:57:35,810 --> 01:57:33,320
have 600 000 plus subscribers

2496
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:35,820
hosted somebody that was telling the

2497
01:57:40,010 --> 01:57:37,679
truth about Bob Lazar for a change

2498
01:57:42,890 --> 01:57:40,020
instead of all the people

2499
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:42,900
selling the LIE story and the Lie by

2500
01:57:47,390 --> 01:57:45,000
Omission story

2501
01:57:49,970 --> 01:57:47,400
um so we're just gonna put up my fair

2502
01:57:52,970 --> 01:57:49,980
use Banner this is a transformative work

2503
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:52,980
we're educating the public and uh we'll

2504
01:57:59,209 --> 01:57:56,159
be discussing and critiquing uh what we

2505
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:59,219
are playing uh this is also a

2506
01:58:03,890 --> 01:58:01,440
transformative work which also makes it

2507
01:58:06,530 --> 01:58:03,900
coverable under fair use if it's easily

2508
01:58:08,570 --> 01:58:06,540
you can classified information on

2509
01:58:11,570 --> 01:58:08,580
scientific level right like the element

2510
01:58:13,370 --> 01:58:11,580
115 stuff so that's the that's the real

2511
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:13,380
big scientific

2512
01:58:17,629 --> 01:58:15,599
thing that he supposedly came out with

2513
01:58:19,129 --> 01:58:17,639
and there's so many misconceptions about

2514
01:58:20,270 --> 01:58:19,139
that as well but I'd like to spend a

2515
01:58:24,890 --> 01:58:20,280
minute to clear up

2516
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:24,900
okay so one is that you know elements

2517
01:58:29,149 --> 01:58:27,360
are you know the element number is based

2518
01:58:32,750 --> 01:58:29,159
on proton number that's how many protons

2519
01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:32,760
are in the nucleus so hydrogen is number

2520
01:58:39,169 --> 01:58:36,360
one it has one proton and one electron

2521
01:58:41,089 --> 01:58:39,179
the electrons number balances the proton

2522
01:58:44,930 --> 01:58:41,099
number so that has a zero charge they

2523
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:44,940
always like to be neutral so this issue

2524
01:58:49,790 --> 01:58:47,520
of the protons is just it's just

2525
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:49,800
addition man so you just like Element

2526
01:58:54,530 --> 01:58:52,320
115 you know the periodic table goes up

2527
01:58:56,149 --> 01:58:54,540
to a certain number and then to just

2528
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,159
predict that it's going to go to higher

2529
01:59:00,410 --> 01:58:57,840
numbers that we haven't created yet I

2530
01:59:04,010 --> 01:59:00,420
mean this was figured out back in the

2531
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,020
1960s by a guy named Glenn seaborg who

2532
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:06,480
worked at UC Berkeley and he worked on a

2533
01:59:11,450 --> 01:59:07,760
lot of the particle accelerator

2534
01:59:13,070 --> 01:59:11,460
experiments that you know built the

2535
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:13,080
entire you know higher half of the

2536
01:59:18,109 --> 01:59:14,639
periodic table

2537
01:59:19,370 --> 01:59:18,119
and while it's interesting uh you know

2538
01:59:22,430 --> 01:59:19,380
he wrote an article actually in

2539
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:22,440
Scientific American in 1969

2540
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,960
and published it talking about elements

2541
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:26,639
you know the higher elements and the

2542
01:59:32,149 --> 01:59:29,520
so-called island of stability this is an

2543
01:59:34,609 --> 01:59:32,159
important Point uh because many people

2544
01:59:37,790 --> 01:59:34,619
have credited Bob Lazar was the first

2545
01:59:41,870 --> 01:59:37,800
person that talked about Element 115 not

2546
01:59:46,070 --> 01:59:41,880
true uh I have a chemistry book from the

2547
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:46,080
late 1970s which includes Element 115 on

2548
01:59:50,510 --> 01:59:48,000
the periodic table and it didn't exist

2549
01:59:52,669 --> 01:59:50,520
then but they just knew that eventually

2550
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:52,679
it would be synthesized or discovered

2551
01:59:57,410 --> 01:59:55,679
and here Jeremy rise who has a Physics

2552
01:59:59,629 --> 01:59:57,420
degree and is aware of all these things

2553
02:00:02,450 --> 01:59:59,639
is correctly pointing out that somebody

2554
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:02,460
was writing about Element 115 in the

2555
02:00:08,810 --> 02:00:06,480
year 1969. so all these people that

2556
02:00:09,950 --> 02:00:08,820
constantly claim well babazar must be

2557
02:00:13,310 --> 02:00:09,960
telling the truth he was the first

2558
02:00:16,689 --> 02:00:13,320
person to talk about element 115. they

2559
02:00:19,250 --> 02:00:16,699
are just wrong and then he gets into uh

2560
02:00:21,050 --> 02:00:19,260
babazar's educational background

2561
02:00:23,330 --> 02:00:21,060
and the kind of documentation I would be

2562
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:23,340
looking for hasn't come out so so

2563
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:25,440
bubbles are some some more records of

2564
02:00:28,669 --> 02:00:27,119
his educational background which he

2565
02:00:30,109 --> 02:00:28,679
claims to have these degrees Advanced

2566
02:00:32,990 --> 02:00:30,119
degrees and have gone to these schools

2567
02:00:35,089 --> 02:00:33,000
which there is evidence right so the

2568
02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:35,099
evidence came out right it's interesting

2569
02:00:40,250 --> 02:00:37,440
because he had a court case in 1991 and

2570
02:00:42,530 --> 02:00:40,260
on his court documents he he stated that

2571
02:00:44,930 --> 02:00:42,540
he had a his bachelor's degree was from

2572
02:00:46,910 --> 02:00:44,940
Pacifica University which is a

2573
02:00:49,310 --> 02:00:46,920
correspondence University and what year

2574
02:00:51,530 --> 02:00:49,320
did you say this it was shut down in in

2575
02:00:53,810 --> 02:00:51,540
it was shut down in the early 90s as as

2576
02:00:56,149 --> 02:00:53,820
being a degree Mill so this was like 91

2577
02:00:57,770 --> 02:00:56,159
I think was the the conviction so it was

2578
02:00:59,330 --> 02:00:57,780
like two two years after he came out

2579
02:01:02,089 --> 02:00:59,340
with the story so this place called

2580
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:02,099
Pacifica was selling degrees Yeah

2581
02:01:04,970 --> 02:01:03,840
selling okay that's where you put so the

2582
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,980
court case is interesting too because

2583
02:01:09,470 --> 02:01:07,440
apparently you know he he had you know

2584
02:01:11,330 --> 02:01:09,480
become this whistleblower about this big

2585
02:01:14,209 --> 02:01:11,340
top secret program that he was hired to

2586
02:01:15,830 --> 02:01:14,219
be this senior staff physicist on yeah

2587
02:01:17,870 --> 02:01:15,840
and here's where it gets interesting

2588
02:01:19,790 --> 02:01:17,880
because

2589
02:01:22,729 --> 02:01:19,800
just to be clear so everybody

2590
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:22,739
understands Bob Lazar claimed to have

2591
02:01:28,850 --> 02:01:26,400
degrees from MIT and Caltech but in a

2592
02:01:30,950 --> 02:01:28,860
court case he claims his undergraduate

2593
02:01:33,229 --> 02:01:30,960
degree in those court documents was from

2594
02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:33,239
Pacifica University which is just a

2595
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:35,880
degree Mill a place that you buy a fake

2596
02:01:41,689 --> 02:01:39,000
degree from no way or God's green earth

2597
02:01:44,870 --> 02:01:41,699
that either MIT or Caltech would accept

2598
02:01:48,649 --> 02:01:44,880
the person into a master's program who

2599
02:01:51,490 --> 02:01:48,659
had a fake purchased degree Mill degree

2600
02:01:54,770 --> 02:01:51,500
and that um you know

2601
02:01:57,350 --> 02:01:54,780
afterwards he he was um after you know

2602
02:01:59,330 --> 02:01:57,360
two years later he's running a brothel

2603
02:02:00,890 --> 02:01:59,340
he's literally running a brothel that's

2604
02:02:03,290 --> 02:02:00,900
what he gets he well he wouldn't he

2605
02:02:04,729 --> 02:02:03,300
wasn't running the brothel he was uh

2606
02:02:06,890 --> 02:02:04,739
there was a mad Dam who was running the

2607
02:02:10,729 --> 02:02:06,900
brothel it was called the Crystal Cove

2608
02:02:13,850 --> 02:02:10,739
and his he actually got arrested for um

2609
02:02:15,410 --> 02:02:13,860
setting up a CCTV camera system in the

2610
02:02:17,390 --> 02:02:15,420
apartment complex

2611
02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:17,400
and he was they were filming and

2612
02:02:21,890 --> 02:02:19,980
blackmailing you know customers for of

2613
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:21,900
the brothel is there proof that he tried

2614
02:02:25,850 --> 02:02:24,000
to Blackmail people it's a court case he

2615
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:25,860
pleaded guilty to it

2616
02:02:32,750 --> 02:02:29,119
yeah so there you go there's your

2617
02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:32,760
prestigious scientist who according to

2618
02:02:40,430 --> 02:02:36,840
court documents was arrested for filming

2619
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,440
the Johns at the whorehouse Hebron and

2620
02:02:46,370 --> 02:02:42,719
then blackmailing them

2621
02:02:50,209 --> 02:02:46,380
with those videotapes you know I guess

2622
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:50,219
maybe uh uh you know hey we could send

2623
02:02:54,530 --> 02:02:52,320
this videotape of you banging this [\h__\h]

2624
02:02:55,609 --> 02:02:54,540
to your wife or he could give us some

2625
02:02:58,550 --> 02:02:55,619
extra money

2626
02:03:01,310 --> 02:02:58,560
and this is uh things he pled guilty to

2627
02:03:03,709 --> 02:03:01,320
in the court case uh it's it's in the

2628
02:03:05,810 --> 02:03:03,719
court documents to my knowledge no one

2629
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:05,820
has gotten the complete and total court

2630
02:03:10,609 --> 02:03:07,860
documents related to Bob lazar's

2631
02:03:12,530 --> 02:03:10,619
Warehouse case uh it's on my list of

2632
02:03:13,970 --> 02:03:12,540
things to do yeah you can we're going to

2633
02:03:15,890 --> 02:03:13,980
get them you look it up in Nevada yeah

2634
02:03:18,410 --> 02:03:15,900
you can look it up in Nevada so it's

2635
02:03:20,750 --> 02:03:18,420
there and and

2636
02:03:22,370 --> 02:03:20,760
um there's a video of it online and

2637
02:03:23,930 --> 02:03:22,380
there's even videos of George Knapp

2638
02:03:25,370 --> 02:03:23,940
talking about the incident how he's like

2639
02:03:27,410 --> 02:03:25,380
he just you know brought this big

2640
02:03:30,350 --> 02:03:27,420
scientist whistleblower out and here

2641
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:30,360
goes the whole story because you know

2642
02:03:33,649 --> 02:03:32,159
right and apparently it didn't it wasn't

2643
02:03:34,970 --> 02:03:33,659
enough to make it go away and a lot of

2644
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:34,980
people still don't know about that and

2645
02:03:39,050 --> 02:03:36,420
that it happened but

2646
02:03:41,450 --> 02:03:39,060
and it's also interesting to note uh

2647
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:41,460
that the person that dimed out

2648
02:03:46,189 --> 02:03:44,159
apparently George Knapp is the one who

2649
02:03:48,410 --> 02:03:46,199
called the police and made Bob lazor

2650
02:03:50,990 --> 02:03:48,420
turn himself in at least that's what

2651
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,000
George Knapp has said in interviews so

2652
02:03:57,290 --> 02:03:54,000
isn't it great that George Knapp ratted

2653
02:03:59,390 --> 02:03:57,300
out Bob Lazar for running a whorehouse

2654
02:04:02,030 --> 02:03:59,400
and according to George Knapp the

2655
02:04:04,129 --> 02:04:02,040
whorehouse was right on his Block in his

2656
02:04:06,109 --> 02:04:04,139
neighborhood that Bob Lazar was running

2657
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:06,119
the court documents from that case he

2658
02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:07,920
lists he lists his degree was his

2659
02:04:12,109 --> 02:04:09,599
bachelor's degree was from Pacifica

2660
02:04:15,050 --> 02:04:12,119
University not MIT or Caltech he doesn't

2661
02:04:17,570 --> 02:04:15,060
say that and he says that his um

2662
02:04:19,010 --> 02:04:17,580
uh he had some I don't know he said

2663
02:04:20,750 --> 02:04:19,020
something about University of Cal

2664
02:04:22,129 --> 02:04:20,760
Northridge I got to look up the the

2665
02:04:24,350 --> 02:04:22,139
documents from that court case but it's

2666
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:24,360
on it's on there you can look it up uh

2667
02:04:29,330 --> 02:04:26,639
there's a whole website um Bob Lazar

2668
02:04:30,530 --> 02:04:29,340
debunk.com where people can get like a

2669
02:04:32,270 --> 02:04:30,540
lot of these um

2670
02:04:34,370 --> 02:04:32,280
documents and other stuff and other

2671
02:04:36,350 --> 02:04:34,380
researchers have done uh stuff on this

2672
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:36,360
too including an account on Twitter

2673
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:40,080
called signals Intel and um yeah there's

2674
02:04:44,030 --> 02:04:42,300
not a lot of traction online with people

2675
02:04:46,070 --> 02:04:44,040
that are trying to pick apart his story

2676
02:04:48,410 --> 02:04:46,080
and like doing it successfully until I

2677
02:04:50,810 --> 02:04:48,420
became aware of you did I really start

2678
02:04:53,390 --> 02:04:50,820
to notice some of these details

2679
02:04:56,030 --> 02:04:53,400
yeah and that's the problem and we go

2680
02:04:58,070 --> 02:04:56,040
come back to what I call the bigger bull

2681
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:58,080
horn syndrome

2682
02:05:04,010 --> 02:05:00,719
um you know Jeremy and I and others

2683
02:05:08,990 --> 02:05:04,020
signals intelligence and Luis caitano

2684
02:05:11,689 --> 02:05:09,000
and uh Victor uh and many people have

2685
02:05:14,990 --> 02:05:11,699
done our very best to research Bob

2686
02:05:17,089 --> 02:05:15,000
lazar's claims history and the

2687
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:17,099
inconsistencies and we put out our

2688
02:05:22,430 --> 02:05:19,440
research but the problem is

2689
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:22,440
you know we've got Joe Rogan's podcast

2690
02:05:26,570 --> 02:05:24,719
putting out the lies

2691
02:05:30,050 --> 02:05:26,580
with millions and millions of

2692
02:05:32,810 --> 02:05:30,060
subscribers the bigger bullhorn wins so

2693
02:05:35,330 --> 02:05:32,820
largely those of us who are doing the

2694
02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:35,340
good work the factual work like Jeremy

2695
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:37,260
rise and signals intelligence and I

2696
02:05:42,050 --> 02:05:40,800
would uh put us in that category uh

2697
02:05:43,790 --> 02:05:42,060
we've done a lot of work on the

2698
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:43,800
Balthazar story

2699
02:05:50,330 --> 02:05:47,520
it just gets lost in the wash of the uh

2700
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:50,340
you know the clicks and Views frenzy

2701
02:05:55,970 --> 02:05:52,800
that some of these other podcasters are

2702
02:05:59,689 --> 02:05:55,980
are getting like concrete here 600 000

2703
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:59,699
subscribers so you know uh we I have

2704
02:06:04,129 --> 02:06:01,679
less than ten thousand subscribers you

2705
02:06:09,290 --> 02:06:04,139
just can't break through

2706
02:06:10,729 --> 02:06:09,300
uh with the the bullhorn problem yeah

2707
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:10,739
you know people are looking for because

2708
02:06:15,649 --> 02:06:12,480
the Bob Lazar story is such a

2709
02:06:18,589 --> 02:06:15,659
Fantastical story that's what got me

2710
02:06:20,149 --> 02:06:18,599
into researching UFOs and black projects

2711
02:06:22,370 --> 02:06:20,159
and thinking the government has this

2712
02:06:25,010 --> 02:06:22,380
stuff that that and uh you know movies

2713
02:06:26,450 --> 02:06:25,020
like Independence Day in 1997 where they

2714
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:26,460
have that scene where they go into the

2715
02:06:32,750 --> 02:06:29,040
underground hangers they say oh we got

2716
02:06:34,850 --> 02:06:32,760
this from Roswell you know so how from

2717
02:06:37,250 --> 02:06:34,860
the time you first learned about Bob

2718
02:06:39,169 --> 02:06:37,260
how long did it take for you to start to

2719
02:06:40,970 --> 02:06:39,179
question everything

2720
02:06:42,649 --> 02:06:40,980
um I didn't start questioning until I

2721
02:06:44,750 --> 02:06:42,659
really started going on like forums like

2722
02:06:47,330 --> 02:06:44,760
Above Top Secret and in other forums

2723
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,340
where I was really arguing in favor of

2724
02:06:50,750 --> 02:06:48,719
the case with a lot of more

2725
02:06:52,850 --> 02:06:50,760
knowledgeable researchers about it and

2726
02:06:55,310 --> 02:06:52,860
they yeah and I think that's interesting

2727
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:55,320
that many of us that are very critical

2728
02:07:01,310 --> 02:06:58,380
of the Bob Lazar story we've all gone

2729
02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:01,320
down the same path most of us loved and

2730
02:07:06,410 --> 02:07:03,960
believed the story Jeremy and I both

2731
02:07:09,649 --> 02:07:06,420
grew up with the story and I have said

2732
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:09,659
publicly if I could pick one story from

2733
02:07:14,209 --> 02:07:12,360
the land of UFO mythology to be true it

2734
02:07:16,850 --> 02:07:14,219
would be the Bob Lazar story it's a

2735
02:07:19,250 --> 02:07:16,860
fantastic story government scientist

2736
02:07:21,709 --> 02:07:19,260
works on alien spacecraft he comes out

2737
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:21,719
and Blows the Whistle on it it's just

2738
02:07:28,010 --> 02:07:24,719
unfortunate that he he was never a

2739
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:28,020
scientist he was essentially a grifter a

2740
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,300
con artist a scammer and that is

2741
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:32,159
evidenced by the fact that right before

2742
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:35,760
he first of all you know somebody with

2743
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:37,920
master's degrees in physics doesn't run

2744
02:07:42,250 --> 02:07:40,800
photo pets Balthazar ran a one-hour

2745
02:07:45,470 --> 02:07:42,260
photo mat

2746
02:07:47,629 --> 02:07:45,480
and scientists of that caliber generally

2747
02:07:49,609 --> 02:07:47,639
to my knowledge don't run whorehouses

2748
02:07:50,689 --> 02:07:49,619
the one person on Twitter it's

2749
02:07:52,669 --> 02:07:50,699
interesting

2750
02:07:54,890 --> 02:07:52,679
somebody on Twitter said that's a stupid

2751
02:07:56,510 --> 02:07:54,900
argument Stephen because scientists do

2752
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:56,520
bad things and I said find me another

2753
02:08:00,070 --> 02:07:59,280
scientist that ran a whorehouse and they

2754
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,080
did

2755
02:08:06,050 --> 02:08:03,119
so we know of at least two

2756
02:08:08,030 --> 02:08:06,060
people that that other guy was a real

2757
02:08:12,050 --> 02:08:08,040
scientist though and he ran a whorehouse

2758
02:08:14,510 --> 02:08:12,060
so you know but still but balazar uh you

2759
02:08:18,290 --> 02:08:14,520
know has been caught grifting selling

2760
02:08:20,930 --> 02:08:18,300
fireworks uh making materials he was in

2761
02:08:24,890 --> 02:08:20,940
trouble for that

2762
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:24,900
um you know he was bankrupt right before

2763
02:08:30,050 --> 02:08:27,599
he came out with his story he lied about

2764
02:08:33,169 --> 02:08:30,060
being a scientist at Los Alamos he was

2765
02:08:35,629 --> 02:08:33,179
just a technician there's just the story

2766
02:08:37,370 --> 02:08:35,639
falls apart under scrutiny they sent me

2767
02:08:39,050 --> 02:08:37,380
to a lot of interesting links which

2768
02:08:43,010 --> 02:08:39,060
educated me about you know background

2769
02:08:44,810 --> 02:08:43,020
checks and uh Bob lazar's timeline

2770
02:08:47,870 --> 02:08:44,820
that he borrowed a lot of money in his

2771
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:47,880
past that he had a lot of debts he also

2772
02:08:52,370 --> 02:08:50,400
was apparently

2773
02:08:54,770 --> 02:08:52,380
um you know he said he claimed that he

2774
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:54,780
his clearance was revoked right about

2775
02:08:59,930 --> 02:08:57,840
for um the purpose that they he claims

2776
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,940
that his wife was having an affair with

2777
02:09:04,010 --> 02:09:01,920
a with her Airline instructor and that's

2778
02:09:05,450 --> 02:09:04,020
why they revoked his security clearance

2779
02:09:06,530 --> 02:09:05,460
and and that was because they thought it

2780
02:09:08,209 --> 02:09:06,540
would be like psychologically

2781
02:09:11,450 --> 02:09:08,219
traumatizing to him and it would affect

2782
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:11,460
his work that is absolutely ridiculous

2783
02:09:15,410 --> 02:09:13,440
if you know the case because he was

2784
02:09:17,689 --> 02:09:15,420
friends with John Lear I mean he knew

2785
02:09:19,609 --> 02:09:17,699
John Lear he had met John Lear and was a

2786
02:09:21,290 --> 02:09:19,619
friend of his

2787
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:21,300
um he had gone there

2788
02:09:24,530 --> 02:09:23,280
um if you read the story so there's two

2789
02:09:27,050 --> 02:09:24,540
people that are left out of the story

2790
02:09:29,689 --> 02:09:27,060
and and yeah Gene and Jeremy Corbell

2791
02:09:32,450 --> 02:09:29,699
Gene huff and John layer were left out

2792
02:09:34,729 --> 02:09:32,460
of Jeremy corbell's story it was film I

2793
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:34,739
think that it's it's probably because

2794
02:09:37,850 --> 02:09:36,480
they want to mention them or bring them

2795
02:09:39,950 --> 02:09:37,860
into the story because they're two of

2796
02:09:42,109 --> 02:09:39,960
the most Central figures in the Bible's

2797
02:09:43,910 --> 02:09:42,119
our story and that's John Lear

2798
02:09:48,830 --> 02:09:43,920
and Gene Huff

2799
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:48,840
Lazar tapes it says a film produced by

2800
02:09:53,089 --> 02:09:51,119
he he helped produce it so so the

2801
02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:53,099
original bubbles are tapes the the tape

2802
02:09:57,410 --> 02:09:54,960
that started all this was produced by

2803
02:09:59,390 --> 02:09:57,420
Gene Huff okay and in a radio interview

2804
02:10:00,109 --> 02:09:59,400
that I have saved and I put on my

2805
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:00,119
channel

2806
02:10:04,430 --> 02:10:02,639
um Gene Huff claims that he met Bob

2807
02:10:09,169 --> 02:10:04,440
Lazar

2808
02:10:12,530 --> 02:10:09,179
processing business at the time in Las

2809
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:12,540
Vegas which is in my opinion not

2810
02:10:16,490 --> 02:10:14,400
something that somebody with two

2811
02:10:18,830 --> 02:10:16,500
Advanced master's degrees would be doing

2812
02:10:21,770 --> 02:10:18,840
but it is what it is

2813
02:10:23,390 --> 02:10:21,780
and that's what he he was listed as on

2814
02:10:26,450 --> 02:10:23,400
on court documents he listed his

2815
02:10:28,669 --> 02:10:26,460
occupation as a photo processor so he

2816
02:10:32,209 --> 02:10:28,679
had the means to to fake that W-2 form

2817
02:10:34,010 --> 02:10:32,219
and the um the the ID badge so they

2818
02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:34,020
those are the only two documents that

2819
02:10:38,510 --> 02:10:36,000
Bob's produced in support of his case so

2820
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:38,520
W-2 form and an ID badge yeah so the W-2

2821
02:10:45,229 --> 02:10:42,239
form has his his first wife's social

2822
02:10:47,629 --> 02:10:45,239
security number on it yeah the W-2 is

2823
02:10:49,450 --> 02:10:47,639
completely and totally fake and I'm not

2824
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:49,460
going to argue that point with anybody

2825
02:10:54,250 --> 02:10:52,320
uh some people have said oh no it can't

2826
02:10:57,589 --> 02:10:54,260
be fake for this reason or that reason

2827
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:57,599
uh a W-2 form that doesn't have the

2828
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:00,000
right social security number on it is

2829
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:03,119
fake by definition that's the only data

2830
02:11:08,990 --> 02:11:06,000
point we need to look at also

2831
02:11:11,209 --> 02:11:09,000
um interesting that Bob Jeremy mentions

2832
02:11:13,609 --> 02:11:11,219
that Bob Lazar lost his security

2833
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,619
clearance because his wife was cheating

2834
02:11:17,089 --> 02:11:15,360
on him

2835
02:11:19,070 --> 02:11:17,099
um but it should be noted that through

2836
02:11:22,070 --> 02:11:19,080
recent Revelations by signals

2837
02:11:25,550 --> 02:11:22,080
intelligence uh it is very clear that

2838
02:11:27,709 --> 02:11:25,560
Bob Lazar would never never ever have

2839
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:27,719
been given a security clearance and why

2840
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:31,199
is that it's because that wife

2841
02:11:38,030 --> 02:11:35,040
of his was a convicted murderer with

2842
02:11:41,330 --> 02:11:38,040
very strong ties to organized crime in

2843
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:41,340
the form of Hell's Angels this is 1989

2844
02:11:47,209 --> 02:11:44,159
it's the height of the Cold War you do

2845
02:11:49,129 --> 02:11:47,219
not you cannot you will not give a

2846
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:49,139
person whose wife is a convicted

2847
02:11:56,570 --> 02:11:52,320
murderer with very strong ties to

2848
02:11:59,149 --> 02:11:56,580
organized crime top secret clearance now

2849
02:12:02,510 --> 02:11:59,159
this is my opinion but it is an informed

2850
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:02,520
opinion uh because I spoke with many

2851
02:12:10,010 --> 02:12:05,119
different people who have verifiably

2852
02:12:13,010 --> 02:12:10,020
have now have or formerly had

2853
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:13,020
uh you know secret clearance for secret

2854
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:15,599
projects with with the government

2855
02:12:21,169 --> 02:12:19,199
or with government contractors for those

2856
02:12:23,149 --> 02:12:21,179
that don't know to get that clearance

2857
02:12:26,089 --> 02:12:23,159
they literally knock on your door and

2858
02:12:29,689 --> 02:12:26,099
talk to your neighbors they do full this

2859
02:12:32,209 --> 02:12:29,699
full background check and investigations

2860
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:32,219
giving a person whose wife is a

2861
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:34,560
convicted murderer with very strong ties

2862
02:12:40,790 --> 02:12:37,920
to organized crime a top secret security

2863
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:40,800
clearance would be a huge security risk

2864
02:12:45,470 --> 02:12:42,719
they wouldn't do it

2865
02:12:48,169 --> 02:12:45,480
uh and you can talk to anybody who is

2866
02:12:52,250 --> 02:12:48,179
familiar with the world of classified

2867
02:12:53,990 --> 02:12:52,260
projects ask them what they think uh let

2868
02:12:57,229 --> 02:12:54,000
me know email me but I haven't found

2869
02:13:00,350 --> 02:12:57,239
anybody who says yes they would give a

2870
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,360
top secret clearance to a man who has a

2871
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,639
wife who's a convicted murderer with

2872
02:13:07,129 --> 02:13:04,800
very strong ties to organized crime in

2873
02:13:08,330 --> 02:13:07,139
the form of the Hell's Angels it just

2874
02:13:11,149 --> 02:13:08,340
wouldn't happen

2875
02:13:12,530 --> 02:13:11,159
we found that was the weirdest thing so

2876
02:13:14,450 --> 02:13:12,540
that was definitely faked he didn't even

2877
02:13:16,189 --> 02:13:14,460
put his his own Social Security he put

2878
02:13:17,689 --> 02:13:16,199
his first wife's social security number

2879
02:13:19,189 --> 02:13:17,699
on the damn thing and then they changed

2880
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:19,199
it in other versions but we have the

2881
02:13:22,370 --> 02:13:20,940
original that he gave and it has his

2882
02:13:25,910 --> 02:13:22,380
wife his first wife's social security

2883
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:25,920
number on it which his he was married to

2884
02:13:31,850 --> 02:13:29,280
a woman named Carol Nadine Esslinger or

2885
02:13:33,950 --> 02:13:31,860
Carol Nadine strong uh she was 10 years

2886
02:13:37,729 --> 02:13:33,960
older than him they married in I think

2887
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:37,739
like 78 or 79 moved to uh

2888
02:13:43,129 --> 02:13:40,800
and he was still married with her I

2889
02:13:44,450 --> 02:13:43,139
believe when he moved from California to

2890
02:13:46,970 --> 02:13:44,460
Los Alamos

2891
02:13:50,450 --> 02:13:46,980
but sometime in the middle of that is

2892
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:50,460
when he he met this other younger girl

2893
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:53,040
um Jackie which which her real name is

2894
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,480
Tracy

2895
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:56,639
um they call her Jackie but um he

2896
02:13:59,149 --> 02:13:58,079
married this he he started hanging out

2897
02:14:00,770 --> 02:13:59,159
with this younger girl apparently

2898
02:14:03,050 --> 02:14:00,780
married her but he didn't get a real

2899
02:14:05,569 --> 02:14:03,060
marriage certificate he just like had a

2900
02:14:07,790 --> 02:14:05,579
wedding yeah so besides being a person

2901
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:07,800
who ran a whorehouse he's also a

2902
02:14:13,790 --> 02:14:10,560
polygamist Bob Lazar married one woman

2903
02:14:18,530 --> 02:14:13,800
without divorcing the first one he had

2904
02:14:21,490 --> 02:14:18,540
two wives at one time and very very very

2905
02:14:25,069 --> 02:14:21,500
tragically his first wife killed herself

2906
02:14:26,450 --> 02:14:25,079
shortly after uh Bob Lazar married the

2907
02:14:28,609 --> 02:14:26,460
second woman

2908
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:28,619
she committed suicide

2909
02:14:32,569 --> 02:14:30,780
and and married her well he was still

2910
02:14:34,669 --> 02:14:32,579
married to The Other Woman

2911
02:14:36,530 --> 02:14:34,679
and then the other woman found out and

2912
02:14:38,450 --> 02:14:36,540
was so upset by it she allegedly

2913
02:14:40,129 --> 02:14:38,460
committed suicide

2914
02:14:43,729 --> 02:14:40,139
and

2915
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:43,739
Carol leading strong we looked up her

2916
02:14:46,430 --> 02:14:45,360
history the woman that he was married to

2917
02:14:47,390 --> 02:14:46,440
at the time he would have had these

2918
02:14:49,490 --> 02:14:47,400
background checks and security

2919
02:14:50,750 --> 02:14:49,500
clearances so so the government hired

2920
02:14:52,609 --> 02:14:50,760
him to work on the most top secret

2921
02:14:53,870 --> 02:14:52,619
project the US has ever known then they

2922
02:14:55,310 --> 02:14:53,880
would have obviously looked into this

2923
02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:55,320
part of his background and found these

2924
02:14:58,970 --> 02:14:56,940
holes in the story I mean these these

2925
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:58,980
these were issues that he had so so the

2926
02:15:03,530 --> 02:15:00,719
it looks more like he was having an

2927
02:15:05,209 --> 02:15:03,540
affair with his wife you know because he

2928
02:15:06,589 --> 02:15:05,219
married two women at the same time this

2929
02:15:08,689 --> 02:15:06,599
younger girl and then his older wife

2930
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:08,699
commits suicide and then he ends up

2931
02:15:13,129 --> 02:15:10,380
marrying the younger wife legally on

2932
02:15:14,750 --> 02:15:13,139
paper a couple months later and he his

2933
02:15:16,669 --> 02:15:14,760
first wife committed Su allegedly

2934
02:15:19,669 --> 02:15:16,679
committed suicide yeah before he was

2935
02:15:22,430 --> 02:15:19,679
hired to work at UH site S4 yeah this

2936
02:15:23,770 --> 02:15:22,440
was before this was out early this was

2937
02:15:30,169 --> 02:15:23,780
86.

2938
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:30,179
Bob Lazar and the second wife

2939
02:15:36,589 --> 02:15:33,599
just just after his first wife commits

2940
02:15:38,930 --> 02:15:36,599
suicide in their home I believe Bob

2941
02:15:40,430 --> 02:15:38,940
Lazar and his second wife moved in to

2942
02:15:42,530 --> 02:15:40,440
the same home

2943
02:15:45,169 --> 02:15:42,540
so this was two years before so two

2944
02:15:48,589 --> 02:15:45,179
years prior two three years prior to him

2945
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:48,599
coming out with the story in 1989 right

2946
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:51,360
so 1986 is when you know he he meets

2947
02:15:56,750 --> 02:15:54,840
this younger girl moves to Los Alamos

2948
02:15:59,810 --> 02:15:56,760
and um

2949
02:16:01,250 --> 02:15:59,820
and then he he breaks up with uh you

2950
02:16:04,010 --> 02:16:01,260
know and breaks her heart and she ends

2951
02:16:05,689 --> 02:16:04,020
up committing suicide mindset they like

2952
02:16:07,069 --> 02:16:05,699
um tailpipe in the garage they found her

2953
02:16:08,750 --> 02:16:07,079
in the car or whatever I don't know if

2954
02:16:10,910 --> 02:16:08,760
he's the one that found her or what the

2955
02:16:13,609 --> 02:16:10,920
whole the whole story is

2956
02:16:16,970 --> 02:16:13,619
um there but it's certainly very you

2957
02:16:18,770 --> 02:16:16,980
know peculiar and bizarre and strange

2958
02:16:20,209 --> 02:16:18,780
um and definitely a guy wouldn't have

2959
02:16:21,890 --> 02:16:20,219
gotten a background check because his

2960
02:16:23,689 --> 02:16:21,900
his former wife was arrested was was

2961
02:16:25,850 --> 02:16:23,699
involved with the Hell's Angel murder

2962
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:25,860
According to some Doc some newspaper

2963
02:16:28,970 --> 02:16:27,119
articles and stuff that we recently

2964
02:16:30,350 --> 02:16:28,980
found from Las Vegas so she was from Las

2965
02:16:31,490 --> 02:16:30,360
Vegas and moved up there apparently

2966
02:16:33,110 --> 02:16:31,500
she's connected with someone that worked

2967
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:33,120
at Fairchild Industries and that's how

2968
02:16:38,089 --> 02:16:34,399
Bob worked there out in California

2969
02:16:40,370 --> 02:16:38,099
before he moved to uh Los Alamos and

2970
02:16:43,969 --> 02:16:40,380
yeah so correctly Jeremy points out that

2971
02:16:46,190 --> 02:16:43,979
the first wife was was uh convicted in a

2972
02:16:49,549 --> 02:16:46,200
murder case involving the Hell's Angels

2973
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,559
previous to uh Bob coming out with his

2974
02:16:53,150 --> 02:16:50,639
story he knew and a bunch of other guys

2975
02:16:55,009 --> 02:16:53,160
like Jim tagliani who worked at tonopod

2976
02:16:57,889 --> 02:16:55,019
test range

2977
02:17:00,589 --> 02:16:57,899
um and and Jim tagliani knew about S4

2978
02:17:03,650 --> 02:17:00,599
who who is Jim tagliani he was one of

2979
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,660
Bob lazar's friends so uh he's he's a

2980
02:17:08,030 --> 02:17:05,519
he's he's a guy that was friends with

2981
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,040
Bob Lazar and and uh John Lear and all

2982
02:17:12,770 --> 02:17:10,800
them and he knew he worked out at um

2983
02:17:14,209 --> 02:17:12,780
tonopod test range at a real place

2984
02:17:16,250 --> 02:17:14,219
called site four there's a difference

2985
02:17:17,990 --> 02:17:16,260
there's a real site for it tonopod test

2986
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:18,000
range yeah and to the best of my

2987
02:17:23,629 --> 02:17:20,399
knowledge the site for a Tonopah test

2988
02:17:27,290 --> 02:17:23,639
range is a radar station that's area 52.

2989
02:17:29,629 --> 02:17:27,300
Okay so area 51's in Nevada near Las

2990
02:17:32,030 --> 02:17:29,639
Vegas and if you go like West from Area

2991
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:32,040
51 you'll fly right over tone upon your

2992
02:17:35,870 --> 02:17:34,080
way to Edwards Air Force Base and then

2993
02:17:37,490 --> 02:17:35,880
and that was called site four there was

2994
02:17:40,009 --> 02:17:37,500
a section out there called site four and

2995
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:40,019
it was the eccm which is an electronic

2996
02:17:45,290 --> 02:17:43,200
counter counter measures uh radar setup

2997
02:17:47,209 --> 02:17:45,300
so they would build mock enemy radar

2998
02:17:49,129 --> 02:17:47,219
systems like Russian radar and then they

2999
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:49,139
would figure out how to spoof or Jam

3000
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:51,599
that those radar systems

3001
02:17:58,250 --> 02:17:54,840
um and that my friends is where Bob

3002
02:17:59,089 --> 02:17:58,260
Lazar got the name S4 from his very good

3003
02:18:02,030 --> 02:17:59,099
friend

3004
02:18:04,910 --> 02:18:02,040
Mr tagliani who worked at the Tonopah

3005
02:18:07,310 --> 02:18:04,920
test range at the Rio S4 which is a

3006
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:07,320
radar station whereas the frequencies or

3007
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:09,359
or um the signals and stuff and this was

3008
02:18:12,049 --> 02:18:10,800
like this was the origins of the like

3009
02:18:14,450 --> 02:18:12,059
the stealth days where they were working

3010
02:18:16,009 --> 02:18:14,460
on right I mean the stealth program was

3011
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:16,019
a little bit before that but you know

3012
02:18:19,730 --> 02:18:17,519
the early 80s but they were still doing

3013
02:18:21,950 --> 02:18:19,740
a lot of stealth research and stuff out

3014
02:18:23,209 --> 02:18:21,960
there at the time which is also

3015
02:18:25,310 --> 02:18:23,219
interesting because there was another

3016
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:25,320
site four that we found which was at

3017
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:27,599
plant 42 in Palmdale which is where they

3018
02:18:33,950 --> 02:18:31,439
made the B20 the B2 Spirit bombers

3019
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:33,960
wow

3020
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:38,870
well at least he doesn't have as many

3021
02:18:44,270 --> 02:18:42,479
ads as uh as David Wilcock

3022
02:18:46,330 --> 02:18:44,280
hold on one second we'll share that

3023
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:46,340
again I apologize

3024
02:18:57,410 --> 02:18:53,209
there's two classified sites named S4 or

3025
02:18:59,629 --> 02:18:57,420
site four in one at Tonopah one at uh

3026
02:19:01,610 --> 02:18:59,639
Palmdale where they're building the B2

3027
02:19:03,650 --> 02:19:01,620
and then Bob comes out with this

3028
02:19:05,089 --> 02:19:03,660
fantastic story about this place called

3029
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,099
site four where they're reverse

3030
02:19:09,230 --> 02:19:07,439
engineering alien you know saucers and

3031
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:09,240
stuff and that's the same story that

3032
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:12,719
again John Lear told the you know a year

3033
02:19:18,290 --> 02:19:15,599
before on George Knapp so it's kind of

3034
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:18,300
interesting you have this timeline where

3035
02:19:24,110 --> 02:19:21,599
Bob Lazar moves to move you know he the

3036
02:19:25,790 --> 02:19:24,120
white the wife thing he lost Alamos he's

3037
02:19:26,990 --> 02:19:25,800
living there and then then he meets this

3038
02:19:28,610 --> 02:19:27,000
new girlfriend

3039
02:19:29,870 --> 02:19:28,620
something happens at Los Alamos he

3040
02:19:31,610 --> 02:19:29,880
apparently only worked he did work at

3041
02:19:33,230 --> 02:19:31,620
Los Alamos we've been able to confirm

3042
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:33,240
that right but he only worked at Los

3043
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:35,280
Alamos for like eight months that we can

3044
02:19:38,570 --> 02:19:36,719
tell that we can figure out and

3045
02:19:40,429 --> 02:19:38,580
apparently he was fired from Los Alamos

3046
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:40,439
for using company equipment to work on

3047
02:19:46,129 --> 02:19:42,000
his jet car

3048
02:19:48,349 --> 02:19:46,139
which he was in he was already in um

3049
02:19:51,010 --> 02:19:48,359
there was a monitor article from Los

3050
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:51,020
Alamos from 1982

3051
02:19:56,330 --> 02:19:53,520
that's the article that he claimed he

3052
02:19:58,610 --> 02:19:56,340
was a physicist at Los Alamos and we now

3053
02:20:01,130 --> 02:19:58,620
know that Bob Lazar was never a

3054
02:20:03,469 --> 02:20:01,140
physicist or scientist at Los Alamos he

3055
02:20:05,630 --> 02:20:03,479
was a low-level technician and this has

3056
02:20:08,270 --> 02:20:05,640
been confirmed by on the record sources

3057
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:08,280
that were Bob Lazar supervisors while he

3058
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:09,600
worked there

3059
02:20:14,990 --> 02:20:12,479
um on the jet car article

3060
02:20:18,290 --> 02:20:15,000
um so he was in Los Alamos with his Jack

3061
02:20:20,330 --> 02:20:18,300
Carr in 1982 doing doing stuff so so you

3062
02:20:22,010 --> 02:20:20,340
can get a little bit a scope of the time

3063
02:20:23,389 --> 02:20:22,020
period And if you really chased it down

3064
02:20:24,849 --> 02:20:23,399
at the whole timeline there's no room

3065
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,859
for him to have gotten the degrees

3066
02:20:28,670 --> 02:20:27,120
there's there's no evidence that he got

3067
02:20:30,290 --> 02:20:28,680
the degrees and then him listing on the

3068
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,300
court documents that he didn't really

3069
02:20:33,410 --> 02:20:31,920
have the degrees he had a Pacifica

3070
02:20:35,870 --> 02:20:33,420
University which is like a mail order

3071
02:20:38,210 --> 02:20:35,880
you know fake degree

3072
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:38,220
um and he's that's possibly a mail order

3073
02:20:41,330 --> 02:20:39,840
degree they were doing that it doesn't

3074
02:20:43,309 --> 02:20:41,340
necessarily mean he paid for it there's

3075
02:20:45,170 --> 02:20:43,319
no proof he actually paid them right so

3076
02:20:47,630 --> 02:20:45,180
I mean you could if by some stretch of

3077
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:47,640
an imagination just assume that oh the

3078
02:20:52,910 --> 02:20:50,399
government you know

3079
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:52,920
just try to put a bunch of dirt on this

3080
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:54,479
guy and made up all this stuff that it's

3081
02:20:58,130 --> 02:20:56,880
all made up by the government yeah and I

3082
02:21:00,349 --> 02:20:58,140
don't believe that the Men in Black

3083
02:21:01,969 --> 02:21:00,359
explanation falls apart under scrutiny

3084
02:21:03,889 --> 02:21:01,979
right so then at the end of the day if

3085
02:21:05,630 --> 02:21:03,899
you just just get rid of all the

3086
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:05,640
circumstantial evidence about you know

3087
02:21:09,710 --> 02:21:07,920
that the shows that the guy had just may

3088
02:21:11,809 --> 02:21:09,720
not be who he says he is

3089
02:21:14,210 --> 02:21:11,819
may have been involved with you know

3090
02:21:15,950 --> 02:21:14,220
people like John Lear who's selling the

3091
02:21:17,630 --> 02:21:15,960
same story on George Knapp getting tons

3092
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:17,640
of views on it so

3093
02:21:21,889 --> 02:21:19,439
you know here's Bob Lazar working for

3094
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:21,899
the photo processing company for Gene

3095
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:23,520
huff and Gene Huff says that the first

3096
02:21:27,410 --> 02:21:25,920
time they met John Lear that Bob Lazar

3097
02:21:28,610 --> 02:21:27,420
went over there to do an appraisal on

3098
02:21:30,170 --> 02:21:28,620
John's house

3099
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:30,180
and they went to do an appraisal because

3100
02:21:33,530 --> 02:21:31,920
uh Gene Huff were in an appraisal

3101
02:21:34,910 --> 02:21:33,540
business and he was working he met

3102
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:34,920
that's how he met Bob Lazar because he

3103
02:21:38,690 --> 02:21:36,960
was his photo guy so if Bob was R would

3104
02:21:41,210 --> 02:21:38,700
go take the go there take the pictures

3105
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:41,220
process the photos build and do the ads

3106
02:21:45,290 --> 02:21:42,720
for the you know the paper and stuff

3107
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:45,300
yeah for the real estate appraisals that

3108
02:21:48,410 --> 02:21:47,460
he did and that he would hold a tape

3109
02:21:52,190 --> 02:21:48,420
measure

3110
02:21:53,690 --> 02:21:52,200
and this was when supposedly before this

3111
02:21:55,490 --> 02:21:53,700
is the guy they hired to be the senior

3112
02:21:57,950 --> 02:21:55,500
staff physicist to work on you know to

3113
02:21:59,630 --> 02:21:57,960
figure out how this other thing that the

3114
02:22:01,370 --> 02:21:59,640
the our top scientists couldn't figure

3115
02:22:04,610 --> 02:22:01,380
out how this reactor worked so we had to

3116
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:04,620
bring in this guy to figure this out but

3117
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:07,920
does it make sense does that make sense

3118
02:22:13,849 --> 02:22:10,800
but the is it it's true though this guy

3119
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:13,859
first of all the first time Bob from

3120
02:22:17,210 --> 02:22:15,359
what I understand the first time he met

3121
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:17,220
with George Knapp and they did those

3122
02:22:20,270 --> 02:22:18,720
interviews like he had he had to do a

3123
02:22:22,429 --> 02:22:20,280
lot of convincing to get him to do that

3124
02:22:23,929 --> 02:22:22,439
yeah and then he tells the story of how

3125
02:22:25,969 --> 02:22:23,939
he actually interviewed him did this

3126
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,979
whole story and before he published it

3127
02:22:28,969 --> 02:22:27,600
Bob like called him and said no I don't

3128
02:22:30,349 --> 02:22:28,979
want to do it like he had a change of

3129
02:22:31,429 --> 02:22:30,359
heart he didn't want to publish [\h__\h]

3130
02:22:33,530 --> 02:22:31,439
didn't want to go live with it and

3131
02:22:34,849 --> 02:22:33,540
George Knapp said that he like wrestled

3132
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:34,859
with him over the tapes or something

3133
02:22:39,530 --> 02:22:37,680
like he he described some sort of like a

3134
02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:39,540
physical altercation we had to grab it

3135
02:22:44,330 --> 02:22:40,680
from

3136
02:22:47,570 --> 02:22:44,340
um Bob and [\h__\h] published it yeah

3137
02:22:49,870 --> 02:22:47,580
they drama they drama did up like oh

3138
02:22:55,010 --> 02:22:49,880
yeah I almost grabbed the tape from him

3139
02:22:56,750 --> 02:22:55,020
so so Bob like and what is there to gain

3140
02:23:00,110 --> 02:22:56,760
for him he hasn't made any money off

3141
02:23:02,090 --> 02:23:00,120
this he hasn't yeah he claims he's never

3142
02:23:04,309 --> 02:23:02,100
made any money off of it that's what he

3143
02:23:06,290 --> 02:23:04,319
says they sold the Bob Lazar tapes back

3144
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,300
in you know the back of UFO magazines

3145
02:23:10,550 --> 02:23:08,399
and stuff for 30 bucks a pop back in the

3146
02:23:12,770 --> 02:23:10,560
90s and I know they sold quite a bit of

3147
02:23:14,990 --> 02:23:12,780
them so I know that he made some at

3148
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:15,000
least some money off it

3149
02:23:19,070 --> 02:23:17,280
um I've heard that you know Jeremy

3150
02:23:20,330 --> 02:23:19,080
Corbell made didn't make what he thought

3151
02:23:22,429 --> 02:23:20,340
he would but he made some decent money

3152
02:23:24,889 --> 02:23:22,439
off the off the film that he put out and

3153
02:23:26,809 --> 02:23:24,899
I've heard that he paid you know Bob's

3154
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:26,819
wife or some some back Channel like so

3155
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,040
Bob actually did get paid for that but I

3156
02:23:33,770 --> 02:23:31,200
again I have no evidence to confirm that

3157
02:23:35,809 --> 02:23:33,780
but I'm just con I'm just I would love

3158
02:23:38,929 --> 02:23:35,819
to you know do some more investigation

3159
02:23:41,690 --> 02:23:38,939
into that and find out when we talk

3160
02:23:45,170 --> 02:23:41,700
about the situation uh this is important

3161
02:23:48,290 --> 02:23:45,180
too uh you notice how the concrete a

3162
02:23:50,690 --> 02:23:48,300
podcast host repeated the talking point

3163
02:23:52,429 --> 02:23:50,700
this is a talking point of Bob Lazar

3164
02:23:55,849 --> 02:23:52,439
supporters but what bottles are never

3165
02:23:58,250 --> 02:23:55,859
made any money from this bull bull Bob

3166
02:23:59,929 --> 02:23:58,260
Lazar tried to cash in on this story

3167
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,939
from the very beginning

3168
02:24:06,770 --> 02:24:01,920
first of all

3169
02:24:08,510 --> 02:24:06,780
um he created a company to Market a VHS

3170
02:24:10,849 --> 02:24:08,520
tape it's called excerpts from the

3171
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:10,859
government Bible and it's Bob Lazar

3172
02:24:14,929 --> 02:24:12,960
explaining his time at the super secret

3173
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:14,939
Advanced research facility where they

3174
02:24:18,770 --> 02:24:16,800
were back engineering alien spacecraft

3175
02:24:22,370 --> 02:24:18,780
and he explains how the alien

3176
02:24:24,590 --> 02:24:22,380
spacecrafts flew and all this stuff

3177
02:24:26,690 --> 02:24:24,600
um and it was produced by Gene huff and

3178
02:24:30,050 --> 02:24:26,700
Bob Lazar and it was sold in the back of

3179
02:24:32,270 --> 02:24:30,060
science magazines and UFO magazines and

3180
02:24:33,889 --> 02:24:32,280
like Strange Tales magazines and things

3181
02:24:36,050 --> 02:24:33,899
like that

3182
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:36,060
um I am aware that it was in some

3183
02:24:41,809 --> 02:24:39,120
Science magazine my father had I bought

3184
02:24:43,849 --> 02:24:41,819
one of those tapes and Bob Lazar Gene

3185
02:24:46,490 --> 02:24:43,859
Huff owe me 30 bucks because the whole

3186
02:24:49,490 --> 02:24:46,500
story is fake uh so they scammed

3187
02:24:51,950 --> 02:24:49,500
children literally for thirty dollars a

3188
02:24:54,710 --> 02:24:51,960
piece not just children but I'm sure a

3189
02:24:57,290 --> 02:24:54,720
lot of underage kids like me interested

3190
02:25:00,110 --> 02:24:57,300
in the story saw the ad in the magazine

3191
02:25:02,990 --> 02:25:00,120
like I did I actually had to get my

3192
02:25:06,650 --> 02:25:03,000
father to give me a check uh to send

3193
02:25:09,770 --> 02:25:06,660
away for it and pay for shipping right I

3194
02:25:12,290 --> 02:25:09,780
used my paper ramp money as I recall to

3195
02:25:15,170 --> 02:25:12,300
order the Bob Lazar tape that's the

3196
02:25:17,809 --> 02:25:15,180
First Cash in and they sold thousands

3197
02:25:19,130 --> 02:25:17,819
and thousands of those tapes I'm told by

3198
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:19,140
a source

3199
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:21,120
um not sure if that's entirely accurate

3200
02:25:26,990 --> 02:25:24,240
next Bob Lazar Cashes in with testers

3201
02:25:29,570 --> 02:25:27,000
model Corporation now you may recall

3202
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:29,580
that we call testers model Corporation

3203
02:25:35,570 --> 02:25:32,880
now owned by Rust-Oleum paint company to

3204
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:35,580
try to get an accurate depiction of how

3205
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:46,429
part of me so

3206
02:25:50,809 --> 02:25:48,590
we try to contact them to find out how

3207
02:25:52,670 --> 02:25:50,819
much money Bob Lazar was paid now

3208
02:25:54,889 --> 02:25:52,680
Michael schrat had some information that

3209
02:25:57,290 --> 02:25:54,899
babazar got a big on for upfront payment

3210
02:26:00,650 --> 02:25:57,300
from tester's model Corporation and then

3211
02:26:02,929 --> 02:26:00,660
got a royalty for each of the models of

3212
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:02,939
the Flying Saucer that testers model

3213
02:26:09,469 --> 02:26:06,240
Corporation sold and I'm just

3214
02:26:11,690 --> 02:26:09,479
remembering the early 90s in the early

3215
02:26:15,230 --> 02:26:11,700
90s if you went into any tourist shop

3216
02:26:17,630 --> 02:26:15,240
any hobby shop any model shop Train Shop

3217
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:17,640
there on the Shelf would be the Bob

3218
02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:21,840
Lazar S4 Flying Saucer model and

3219
02:26:27,889 --> 02:26:24,960
I'm told they sold millions of them

3220
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:27,899
from a former employee of tester's model

3221
02:26:33,050 --> 02:26:30,960
Corporation so Bob Lazar cashed in big

3222
02:26:35,210 --> 02:26:33,060
time on that made a ton of money from

3223
02:26:37,250 --> 02:26:35,220
those testers models of the so-called

3224
02:26:40,190 --> 02:26:37,260
Flying Saucer he worked on

3225
02:26:41,750 --> 02:26:40,200
after that Gene huff and him both tried

3226
02:26:44,990 --> 02:26:41,760
to cash in and get a Hollywood

3227
02:26:48,349 --> 02:26:45,000
screenplay produced Bob Lazar was also

3228
02:26:51,290 --> 02:26:48,359
paid for his appearances in many 1990s

3229
02:26:53,210 --> 02:26:51,300
documentaries about aliens Area 51 and

3230
02:26:55,790 --> 02:26:53,220
UFOs

3231
02:26:58,309 --> 02:26:55,800
um there's also a famous case where a

3232
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:58,319
Japanese production company paid him

3233
02:27:04,250 --> 02:27:00,479
tens of thousands of dollars to come to

3234
02:27:07,849 --> 02:27:04,260
Japan and film and he apparently never

3235
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:07,859
showed up but kept their money allegedly

3236
02:27:12,410 --> 02:27:08,880
um

3237
02:27:14,450 --> 02:27:12,420
during the anniversary event there was a

3238
02:27:16,010 --> 02:27:14,460
special event with George Knapp and Bob

3239
02:27:17,570 --> 02:27:16,020
Lazar I think it was the 25th

3240
02:27:20,929 --> 02:27:17,580
anniversary or something like that of

3241
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:20,939
the babazar story uh and I was told that

3242
02:27:26,330 --> 02:27:24,000
he got ten thousand dollars for that

3243
02:27:29,690 --> 02:27:26,340
um Bob Lazar right now is selling

3244
02:27:33,410 --> 02:27:29,700
autographed drawings of flying saucers

3245
02:27:35,090 --> 02:27:33,420
on his website he's selling mugs element

3246
02:27:37,670 --> 02:27:35,100
115.

3247
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:37,680
the sport model or whatever he's been

3248
02:27:43,370 --> 02:27:40,560
selling UFO related merchandise on his

3249
02:27:46,130 --> 02:27:43,380
website since the beginning of his

3250
02:27:48,830 --> 02:27:46,140
website so this talking point that Bob

3251
02:27:52,370 --> 02:27:48,840
Lazar never made any money it absolutely

3252
02:27:55,010 --> 02:27:52,380
falls apart under scrutiny and uh Bob

3253
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:55,020
Lazar has cashed in every chance that he

3254
02:28:00,530 --> 02:27:58,560
got so do not believe you know this

3255
02:28:02,570 --> 02:28:00,540
these are the these are this is the

3256
02:28:05,150 --> 02:28:02,580
truth here's the money that Bob Lazar

3257
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:05,160
has made all this time

3258
02:28:11,090 --> 02:28:08,160
um and also recently Bob Lazar got a

3259
02:28:12,790 --> 02:28:11,100
huge payout for the Bob Lazar book who

3260
02:28:17,150 --> 02:28:12,800
paid him for that

3261
02:28:18,830 --> 02:28:17,160
ttsa and Tom DeLong

3262
02:28:20,210 --> 02:28:18,840
um I'm told it was somewhere in the

3263
02:28:22,490 --> 02:28:20,220
neighborhood of a half a million dollar

3264
02:28:24,950 --> 02:28:22,500
advance on the book

3265
02:28:27,110 --> 02:28:24,960
which I cannot confirm because I only

3266
02:28:30,469 --> 02:28:27,120
got one source who told me that would

3267
02:28:32,990 --> 02:28:30,479
and I'm not quite 100 sure I trust that

3268
02:28:35,570 --> 02:28:33,000
Source but interestingly right after Bob

3269
02:28:39,530 --> 02:28:35,580
Lazar got the check for the book deal he

3270
02:28:42,770 --> 02:28:39,540
moved his home and his business to a

3271
02:28:45,650 --> 02:28:42,780
almost half million dollar property in

3272
02:28:48,410 --> 02:28:45,660
another state so

3273
02:28:50,809 --> 02:28:48,420
the evidence is there that Bob Lazar has

3274
02:28:54,290 --> 02:28:50,819
been making huge amounts of money on his

3275
02:28:57,230 --> 02:28:54,300
story for this whole past 30 years uh

3276
02:29:00,110 --> 02:28:57,240
the the the fallacy that he doesn't make

3277
02:29:03,410 --> 02:29:00,120
any money is a complete and total lie

3278
02:29:04,849 --> 02:29:03,420
easy for someone to just order a whole

3279
02:29:07,610 --> 02:29:04,859
bunch of Jeremy's talking about right

3280
02:29:09,530 --> 02:29:07,620
now is that Jeremy Corbell and Bob Lazar

3281
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:09,540
claimed that Bob was not paid for the

3282
02:29:14,570 --> 02:29:12,180
Jeremy Corbell documentary but a lot of

3283
02:29:16,849 --> 02:29:14,580
people have speculated that his wife got

3284
02:29:19,010 --> 02:29:16,859
paid or there was some back Channel way

3285
02:29:21,290 --> 02:29:19,020
that Bob got his money

3286
02:29:23,150 --> 02:29:21,300
stuff from Bob's business United nuclear

3287
02:29:25,790 --> 02:29:23,160
right you know it would be real easy for

3288
02:29:27,770 --> 02:29:25,800
Jeremy Corbell to order you know 200 000

3289
02:29:30,170 --> 02:29:27,780
worth of scientific equipment from

3290
02:29:32,090 --> 02:29:30,180
United nuclear and then United nuclear

3291
02:29:34,130 --> 02:29:32,100
just simply not delivered the equipment

3292
02:29:35,809 --> 02:29:34,140
you know there's other ways to to wash

3293
02:29:37,309 --> 02:29:35,819
that money and Bob has the means and

3294
02:29:39,889 --> 02:29:37,319
knows how I mean he started United

3295
02:29:42,830 --> 02:29:39,899
nuclear because he ran a fireworks um

3296
02:29:46,490 --> 02:29:42,840
cell like show called desert blast where

3297
02:29:47,929 --> 02:29:46,500
they were basically you know invited a

3298
02:29:49,910 --> 02:29:47,939
bunch of people and sell tickets to go

3299
02:29:51,650 --> 02:29:49,920
watch you know these massive fireworks

3300
02:29:53,450 --> 02:29:51,660
and bomb shows out in the middle of the

3301
02:29:55,910 --> 02:29:53,460
desert where they'd blow up all kinds of

3302
02:29:57,410 --> 02:29:55,920
stuff and that was during the days when

3303
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:57,420
you know it was getting harder you used

3304
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,280
to be able to order ammonium nitrate and

3305
02:30:05,330 --> 02:30:01,680
other stuff right in the mail you know

3306
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:05,340
and at and they started putting a stop

3307
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:06,720
to that so you had to be a registered

3308
02:30:10,370 --> 02:30:08,160
company in order to order those

3309
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,380
chemicals and and and get them so

3310
02:30:14,030 --> 02:30:12,479
bubbles are created United nuclear and

3311
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:14,040
started uh you know ordering those

3312
02:30:18,050 --> 02:30:15,600
chemicals and selling so he started out

3313
02:30:19,730 --> 02:30:18,060
the whole thing selling like and and

3314
02:30:22,010 --> 02:30:19,740
they also they have actually got kicked

3315
02:30:24,050 --> 02:30:22,020
out of Las Vegas because they were you

3316
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:24,060
know selling all this glassware and it

3317
02:30:28,010 --> 02:30:25,439
was you know winding up in all these

3318
02:30:29,389 --> 02:30:28,020
meth labs all over Vegas and they kicked

3319
02:30:31,809 --> 02:30:29,399
him out of Vegas and he had to move the

3320
02:30:35,210 --> 02:30:31,819
company to Michigan

3321
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:35,220
interestingly this is interestingly uh

3322
02:30:42,110 --> 02:30:38,880
uh I have heard from several people that

3323
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:42,120
uh Bob Lazar is the largest supplier of

3324
02:30:47,630 --> 02:30:44,960
chemistry glassware in the United States

3325
02:30:50,270 --> 02:30:47,640
and uh many people including solar

3326
02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:50,280
Marshall have claimed that if you got a

3327
02:30:55,130 --> 02:30:52,560
meth lab you probably got your glassware

3328
02:30:58,190 --> 02:30:55,140
from Bob Lazar now I can't confirm that

3329
02:31:00,590 --> 02:30:58,200
but that's interesting Mr scientist is

3330
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:00,600
selling meth labs glassware to produce

3331
02:31:06,349 --> 02:31:04,319
meth with and by the way just to be

3332
02:31:08,510 --> 02:31:06,359
clear you know meth labs have to get

3333
02:31:09,230 --> 02:31:08,520
those glass vials and beakers and all

3334
02:31:11,929 --> 02:31:09,240
that

3335
02:31:13,969 --> 02:31:11,939
of somewhere Bob Lazar owns a company

3336
02:31:21,889 --> 02:31:13,979
that sells that stuff to the best of my

3337
02:31:25,490 --> 02:31:23,570
but this

3338
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:25,500
um bottles are certainly supplies

3339
02:31:29,450 --> 02:31:28,560
chemistry equipment to anybody that has

3340
02:31:31,730 --> 02:31:29,460
the money

3341
02:31:34,190 --> 02:31:31,740
he lists his degree was his bachelor's

3342
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,200
degree was from Pacifica University not

3343
02:31:38,630 --> 02:31:36,479
MIT or Caltech he doesn't say that and

3344
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:38,640
he says that oh sorry I lost our place

3345
02:31:45,410 --> 02:31:43,910
I apologize no and he hasn't done any

3346
02:31:47,330 --> 02:31:45,420
podcasts other than Joe Rogan's podcast

3347
02:31:49,790 --> 02:31:47,340
well it's interesting because like it's

3348
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:49,800
it's almost like why would he pick he

3349
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:51,120
hasn't done any documentaries either

3350
02:31:55,130 --> 02:31:53,520
besides one with Jeremy Corbell so why

3351
02:31:56,990 --> 02:31:55,140
would he why would he only work with

3352
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:57,000
Jeremy Corbell or only work with Joe

3353
02:32:01,910 --> 02:31:59,520
Rogan I would imagine because I would

3354
02:32:03,650 --> 02:32:01,920
imagine because he doesn't want the

3355
02:32:05,389 --> 02:32:03,660
attention and he's got people like Joe

3356
02:32:06,650 --> 02:32:05,399
who are fascinated by the topic and he's

3357
02:32:08,750 --> 02:32:06,660
got people like Jeremy who are also

3358
02:32:10,490 --> 02:32:08,760
fascinated by the topic who are pushing

3359
02:32:11,630 --> 02:32:10,500
this guy to do this like come on do this

3360
02:32:13,250 --> 02:32:11,640
he's like no I don't want anything to do

3361
02:32:15,290 --> 02:32:13,260
with it you could tell anyone on Joe's

3362
02:32:17,389 --> 02:32:15,300
podcast he was like very hesitant he had

3363
02:32:19,630 --> 02:32:17,399
a [\h__\h] headache whatever and he was

3364
02:32:22,370 --> 02:32:19,640
not like he was happy to be there hey

3365
02:32:24,410 --> 02:32:22,380
the migraine excuse for why I can't

3366
02:32:27,469 --> 02:32:24,420
remember stuff but let's talk about

3367
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:27,479
[\h__\h] aliens he was he seemed like he

3368
02:32:31,250 --> 02:32:29,520
didn't want to be there it also seemed

3369
02:32:32,750 --> 02:32:31,260
like Jeremy was his like Handler yeah

3370
02:32:47,290 --> 02:32:32,760
the whole

3371
02:32:52,370 --> 02:32:50,510
needs to do is get on a show with a guy

3372
02:32:54,590 --> 02:32:52,380
like me instead of a someone who doesn't

3373
02:32:55,550 --> 02:32:54,600
know anything about the case as long as

3374
02:32:56,990 --> 02:32:55,560
he's talking to people who don't know

3375
02:32:58,190 --> 02:32:57,000
anything about the case or people who

3376
02:33:00,469 --> 02:32:58,200
want to believe in the case and support

3377
02:33:02,090 --> 02:33:00,479
the case without question like Jeremy

3378
02:33:04,730 --> 02:33:02,100
Corbell you know convinced that it's

3379
02:33:06,050 --> 02:33:04,740
real and you know that guys like me are

3380
02:33:08,510 --> 02:33:06,060
are part of this you know big

3381
02:33:10,250 --> 02:33:08,520
organization to like shut down the truth

3382
02:33:14,110 --> 02:33:10,260
and it's like well what's the truth man

3383
02:33:19,429 --> 02:33:18,110
and Joe Rogan are pretty much true

3384
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:19,439
believers they really want to believe

3385
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:21,840
Bob so that's an important Point Bob

3386
02:33:27,170 --> 02:33:24,479
Lazar does not do interviews with people

3387
02:33:29,030 --> 02:33:27,180
who are familiar with the case and to be

3388
02:33:31,370 --> 02:33:29,040
quite honest with you I have often

3389
02:33:35,210 --> 02:33:31,380
thought that Jeremy Corbell George Knapp

3390
02:33:37,969 --> 02:33:35,220
and babazar's Nightmare is going on a

3391
02:33:40,730 --> 02:33:37,979
show and getting gotchard right like

3392
02:33:42,770 --> 02:33:40,740
let's say for example that uh Joe Rogan

3393
02:33:46,130 --> 02:33:42,780
did another podcast with Bob Lazar

3394
02:33:48,530 --> 02:33:46,140
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp and then

3395
02:33:51,530 --> 02:33:48,540
Jeremy Corbell said oh we have a couple

3396
02:33:55,730 --> 02:33:51,540
other uh guests joining us and out would

3397
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:55,740
walk me and Jeremy rise oh I have a

3398
02:34:00,830 --> 02:33:58,800
fantasy of this happening because either

3399
02:34:04,969 --> 02:34:00,840
of us either Jeremy or I could

3400
02:34:07,849 --> 02:34:04,979
absolutely completely destroy

3401
02:34:11,150 --> 02:34:07,859
George Knapp Jeremy Corbell and Bob

3402
02:34:13,630 --> 02:34:11,160
Lazar in a debate about the truthfulness

3403
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:13,640
of this entire

3404
02:34:20,210 --> 02:34:16,560
mythology that they have created

3405
02:34:22,670 --> 02:34:20,220
uh they will never do that and that is

3406
02:34:26,510 --> 02:34:22,680
something that we should think about

3407
02:34:27,710 --> 02:34:26,520
we should examine why is it that Bob

3408
02:34:29,809 --> 02:34:27,720
Lazar

3409
02:34:32,090 --> 02:34:29,819
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp will

3410
02:34:35,330 --> 02:34:32,100
only do interviews with people who are

3411
02:34:37,010 --> 02:34:35,340
friendly and uh supportive of their

3412
02:34:40,910 --> 02:34:37,020
narrative

3413
02:34:43,309 --> 02:34:40,920
why will they not do a story and debate

3414
02:34:46,330 --> 02:34:43,319
somebody who is familiar with the case

3415
02:34:48,889 --> 02:34:46,340
and all of the various inconsistencies

3416
02:34:51,469 --> 02:34:48,899
throughout the past 30 years they will

3417
02:34:54,770 --> 02:34:51,479
never do that but

3418
02:34:57,170 --> 02:34:54,780
this is pretty close Jeremy rise alien

3419
02:35:00,050 --> 02:34:57,180
scientists get him man he's on a podcast

3420
02:35:01,730 --> 02:35:00,060
with 600 000 subscribers breaking it all

3421
02:35:04,250 --> 02:35:01,740
down and guess what

3422
02:35:07,370 --> 02:35:04,260
this is going to get to Joe Rogan this

3423
02:35:08,750 --> 02:35:07,380
is going to get to lots and lots of

3424
02:35:11,809 --> 02:35:08,760
people are going to hear this interview

3425
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:11,819
that's why I was so happy uh to hear

3426
02:35:15,770 --> 02:35:13,280
Jeremy doing this

3427
02:35:17,570 --> 02:35:15,780
and I I want to thank him for doing it

3428
02:35:19,309 --> 02:35:17,580
because he had to fly down to Florida

3429
02:35:22,090 --> 02:35:19,319
and everything but he probably was like

3430
02:35:25,010 --> 02:35:22,100
nope I'm gonna whatever I have to do

3431
02:35:26,750 --> 02:35:25,020
real senior staff physicists I can show

3432
02:35:29,389 --> 02:35:26,760
you what a real senior staff physicist

3433
02:35:31,730 --> 02:35:29,399
looks like and compare that to Bob Lazar

3434
02:35:34,429 --> 02:35:31,740
and I can show you what real physics

3435
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,439
programs and real saps and the and the

3436
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:36,240
sort of research and what it looks like

3437
02:35:39,770 --> 02:35:37,680
because we've I've studied these things

3438
02:35:41,870 --> 02:35:39,780
and I've you know interviewed the people

3439
02:35:43,610 --> 02:35:41,880
who worked on them we've had them on my

3440
02:35:46,010 --> 02:35:43,620
podcast so

3441
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:46,020
um I I tend to question guys like Bob

3442
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:48,240
Lazaro and especially that's that's one

3443
02:35:52,010 --> 02:35:50,160
of the main things is the education the

3444
02:35:53,570 --> 02:35:52,020
fact that he lie about being a physicist

3445
02:35:55,730 --> 02:35:53,580
and having these credentials and then

3446
02:35:58,490 --> 02:35:55,740
not being able to back it up

3447
02:36:00,530 --> 02:35:58,500
is the biggest thing to me that and I

3448
02:36:01,849 --> 02:36:00,540
don't know when he's on these shows and

3449
02:36:05,330 --> 02:36:01,859
on the like these tapes and these

3450
02:36:08,210 --> 02:36:05,340
interviews is there any any red flags in

3451
02:36:10,790 --> 02:36:08,220
his language about physics

3452
02:36:12,530 --> 02:36:10,800
yeah that's a good question yeah I'm

3453
02:36:15,050 --> 02:36:12,540
sure if any physicist who's listening to

3454
02:36:18,349 --> 02:36:15,060
Bob Lazar talk knows that this guy is

3455
02:36:19,849 --> 02:36:18,359
not like a real physicist he's not you

3456
02:36:22,550 --> 02:36:19,859
know he's not doing you know real

3457
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:22,560
equation it's some of the most basic you

3458
02:36:25,250 --> 02:36:24,000
know physics stuff and then he'll throw

3459
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:25,260
in a bunch of other stuff like the

3460
02:36:30,290 --> 02:36:28,800
gravity a wave and b-wave idea

3461
02:36:31,969 --> 02:36:30,300
um I've had some people on the podcast

3462
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:31,979
that have tried to analyze that in

3463
02:36:37,730 --> 02:36:35,520
different you know ways um but again

3464
02:36:40,010 --> 02:36:37,740
it's it there's no

3465
02:36:42,170 --> 02:36:40,020
there's no core physics there and and

3466
02:36:44,510 --> 02:36:42,180
when you talk about anti-gravity right

3467
02:36:46,849 --> 02:36:44,520
first off you can't have anti-gravity

3468
02:36:47,929 --> 02:36:46,859
without negative Mass yeah and by the

3469
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:47,939
way

3470
02:36:53,929 --> 02:36:51,359
um I have myself personally every time I

3471
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:53,939
meet somebody that's a real physicist I

3472
02:36:58,969 --> 02:36:55,920
try to get them talk to me about bottle

3473
02:37:01,130 --> 02:36:58,979
is our science and and so far every

3474
02:37:04,610 --> 02:37:01,140
physicist that I have ever spoken to

3475
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,620
about Bob Lazar uh I've sent them clips

3476
02:37:10,190 --> 02:37:06,960
and things of him talking about how this

3477
02:37:13,309 --> 02:37:10,200
how this so-called science which is

3478
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:13,319
really it's it's Bob lazar's talking

3479
02:37:19,250 --> 02:37:16,080
points are essentially like that fake

3480
02:37:21,469 --> 02:37:19,260
science fiction science gobbly book that

3481
02:37:23,750 --> 02:37:21,479
they put on Star Trek you know like it's

3482
02:37:26,410 --> 02:37:23,760
just it's not real science and I have

3483
02:37:29,389 --> 02:37:26,420
tried and every physicist that I've ever

3484
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:29,399
gotten to agree to talk to me about this

3485
02:37:35,170 --> 02:37:32,160
listen to Bob Luzerne sent this this

3486
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:35,180
guy's not a scientist and by the way

3487
02:37:42,650 --> 02:37:39,120
Jeremy has a real degree in physics and

3488
02:37:46,130 --> 02:37:42,660
also by the way Jeremy is incredibly

3489
02:37:49,610 --> 02:37:46,140
strong in math and that's the mark of a

3490
02:37:50,690 --> 02:37:49,620
of a Science Guy uh to me uh and by the

3491
02:37:52,910 --> 02:37:50,700
way I have a background in computer

3492
02:37:55,210 --> 02:37:52,920
science

3493
02:37:58,370 --> 02:37:55,220
um so you know I'm pretty strong in math

3494
02:38:00,830 --> 02:37:58,380
uh pretty strong but Jeremy blows me

3495
02:38:03,710 --> 02:38:00,840
away with his knowledge of advanced

3496
02:38:06,050 --> 02:38:03,720
equations you know when you see

3497
02:38:08,510 --> 02:38:06,060
as soon as letters start getting entered

3498
02:38:11,210 --> 02:38:08,520
in I I

3499
02:38:15,230 --> 02:38:11,220
but my point is that Jeremy is a real

3500
02:38:17,870 --> 02:38:15,240
physicist he has a degree in physics and

3501
02:38:21,650 --> 02:38:17,880
he is saying that Bob Lazar science is

3502
02:38:24,290 --> 02:38:21,660
nonsensical ramblings it's not real

3503
02:38:26,809 --> 02:38:24,300
there's no core physics there that that

3504
02:38:29,990 --> 02:38:26,819
are based in reality

3505
02:38:31,849 --> 02:38:30,000
and that is because Bob Lazar is

3506
02:38:34,309 --> 02:38:31,859
essentially telling a science fiction

3507
02:38:36,349 --> 02:38:34,319
story and he's filling in the blanks

3508
02:38:39,370 --> 02:38:36,359
with nonsense

3509
02:38:43,370 --> 02:38:39,380
um by the way we want to thank Sunny

3510
02:38:44,990 --> 02:38:43,380
biatch111 for kind of generous 9.99 says

3511
02:38:47,090 --> 02:38:45,000
put this in the fund for the inner child

3512
02:38:49,450 --> 02:38:47,100
Stephen getting ripped off from that 80s

3513
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:49,460
lizard

3514
02:38:56,090 --> 02:38:53,280
all right listen you guys I got conned

3515
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:56,100
for 35 including shipping when I was a

3516
02:39:03,050 --> 02:38:59,280
child but now I'll feel somewhat better

3517
02:39:08,090 --> 02:39:03,060
because now Sonny [\h__\h] has contributed

3518
02:39:10,250 --> 02:39:08,100
10 bucks so Bob Lazar only owes me 25 at

3519
02:39:13,490 --> 02:39:10,260
this point we'll see if we can't make up

3520
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:13,500
the difference I do I I thank you I my

3521
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:16,319
inner child feels less less like I got

3522
02:39:22,130 --> 02:39:19,920
ripped off and thank you uh Sunny [\h__\h]

3523
02:39:24,170 --> 02:39:22,140
for your kindness generosity and support

3524
02:39:26,030 --> 02:39:24,180
of the show I think that's the first

3525
02:39:28,309 --> 02:39:26,040
time I've seen a super chat from you if

3526
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:28,319
not I apologize uh we're always glad to

3527
02:39:33,410 --> 02:39:31,200
see new supporters uh throwing some

3528
02:39:35,570 --> 02:39:33,420
money in the in the till thank you for

3529
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:35,580
your kindness generosity and helping us

3530
02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:37,200
to praise the cash and get over

3531
02:39:41,150 --> 02:39:39,359
childhood trauma get ripped off by Bob

3532
02:39:44,889 --> 02:39:41,160
Lazar the space pimp

3533
02:39:49,610 --> 02:39:47,270
ah thank you for your kindness we

3534
02:39:51,889 --> 02:39:49,620
appreciate that and I'm gonna check in

3535
02:39:53,570 --> 02:39:51,899
and just make sure uh while we're

3536
02:39:57,170 --> 02:39:53,580
listening here that I didn't miss

3537
02:40:00,110 --> 02:39:57,180
anything else oh my point was

3538
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:00,120
the reason that I love and resp and

3539
02:40:07,210 --> 02:40:03,600
respect Jeremy and his stance on The Bob

3540
02:40:10,730 --> 02:40:07,220
Lazar case is that he's a real physicist

3541
02:40:13,790 --> 02:40:10,740
a real physicist would know a fake

3542
02:40:16,550 --> 02:40:13,800
physicist ask yourself this

3543
02:40:17,929 --> 02:40:16,560
whatever you do in your job whether

3544
02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:17,939
you're a real estate

3545
02:40:26,389 --> 02:40:22,319
uh person or an accountant uh uh a

3546
02:40:28,809 --> 02:40:26,399
computer science guy an I.T guy uh maybe

3547
02:40:32,570 --> 02:40:28,819
you're uh I don't know a carpenter

3548
02:40:35,210 --> 02:40:32,580
wouldn't you be able to spot instantly

3549
02:40:37,730 --> 02:40:35,220
somebody who wasn't

3550
02:40:39,469 --> 02:40:37,740
a real person that also does your

3551
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:39,479
profession

3552
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:42,240
I think it would I can spot a fake

3553
02:40:46,790 --> 02:40:43,920
computer science person all I have to do

3554
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:46,800
is ask them you know five questions and

3555
02:40:50,210 --> 02:40:48,720
based on their answers I could tell that

3556
02:40:52,750 --> 02:40:50,220
they were faking being a computer

3557
02:40:56,570 --> 02:40:52,760
science person or an I.T person right

3558
02:40:58,969 --> 02:40:56,580
Jeremy similarly he's got a real Physics

3559
02:41:00,170 --> 02:40:58,979
degree he can tell that Bob Lazar is

3560
02:41:02,090 --> 02:41:00,180
full crap

3561
02:41:04,490 --> 02:41:02,100
you need to have negative Mass if you're

3562
02:41:07,490 --> 02:41:04,500
not producing negative mass then you're

3563
02:41:10,250 --> 02:41:07,500
not producing anti-gravity and what he

3564
02:41:12,110 --> 02:41:10,260
has is the most massive element you have

3565
02:41:14,630 --> 02:41:12,120
so he's not producing negative Mass he's

3566
02:41:16,910 --> 02:41:14,640
producing you know super Mass so it's

3567
02:41:19,790 --> 02:41:16,920
it's the opposite direction it's kind of

3568
02:41:21,230 --> 02:41:19,800
like a misdirection in all all fronts I

3569
02:41:23,630 --> 02:41:21,240
feel like it's I feel like it's

3570
02:41:25,309 --> 02:41:23,640
intentional disinformation like that was

3571
02:41:28,429 --> 02:41:25,319
put out it's almost like

3572
02:41:30,230 --> 02:41:28,439
why was you know John Lear telling the

3573
02:41:32,210 --> 02:41:30,240
story and then Bob Lazar suddenly get

3574
02:41:34,190 --> 02:41:32,220
you know meets John Lear and then gets

3575
02:41:36,110 --> 02:41:34,200
uh you know hired to go work out there

3576
02:41:37,849 --> 02:41:36,120
you know despite that he knows John Lear

3577
02:41:39,290 --> 02:41:37,859
and then as soon as he gets working out

3578
02:41:40,429 --> 02:41:39,300
there what does he do he turns and goes

3579
02:41:42,230 --> 02:41:40,439
I'm

3580
02:41:44,090 --> 02:41:42,240
blabs to his friends and brings him up

3581
02:41:45,710 --> 02:41:44,100
on the mountain you know with up to the

3582
02:41:48,110 --> 02:41:45,720
peak you know yeah and this is very

3583
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:48,120
important it's very important that we

3584
02:41:53,570 --> 02:41:50,640
when we recognize the timeline of Bob

3585
02:41:57,230 --> 02:41:53,580
Lazar a year before Bob Lazar came out

3586
02:41:58,849 --> 02:41:57,240
with this story and a significant amount

3587
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:58,859
of time I think six months or more

3588
02:42:04,790 --> 02:42:02,160
before he meets John Lear John Lear is

3589
02:42:07,490 --> 02:42:04,800
on a Sunday morning talk show and on

3590
02:42:09,170 --> 02:42:07,500
local Las Vegas television with George

3591
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:09,180
Knapp I think it was called on the

3592
02:42:13,730 --> 02:42:10,800
record

3593
02:42:16,250 --> 02:42:13,740
um telling essentially the same story or

3594
02:42:19,969 --> 02:42:16,260
a similar story there's the secret base

3595
02:42:21,889 --> 02:42:19,979
on Area 51 they've got alien spacecraft

3596
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:21,899
and they're trying to back engineer them

3597
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:25,680
and then magically Bob Lazar meets John

3598
02:42:30,290 --> 02:42:28,319
leader and then somehow gets hired to

3599
02:42:32,690 --> 02:42:30,300
work for the very program that John Lear

3600
02:42:37,370 --> 02:42:32,700
was just talking about a year beforehand

3601
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:37,380
no no uh I don't think so also worthy of

3602
02:42:43,130 --> 02:42:40,560
note is that Jeremy mentioned Gene huff

3603
02:42:45,969 --> 02:42:43,140
and Bob Lazar uh meeting John Lear doing

3604
02:42:49,790 --> 02:42:45,979
a real estate appraisal and John Lear

3605
02:42:52,730 --> 02:42:49,800
traded these guys copies of all of his

3606
02:42:55,130 --> 02:42:52,740
UFO stuff for that real estate appraisal

3607
02:42:57,710 --> 02:42:55,140
so right before Bob Lazar comes out with

3608
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:57,720
his story uh he gets all of the Billy

3609
02:43:01,910 --> 02:42:59,760
Meyer Material and his spaceship looks

3610
02:43:04,849 --> 02:43:01,920
almost exact to the Billy Myers

3611
02:43:06,889 --> 02:43:04,859
spaceship and some of the aspects of the

3612
02:43:09,889 --> 02:43:06,899
propulsion system and how it works

3613
02:43:12,170 --> 02:43:09,899
including an animated matter generator

3614
02:43:15,050 --> 02:43:12,180
was described in those documents that

3615
02:43:16,910 --> 02:43:15,060
John Lear gave Gene huff and Bob Lazar

3616
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:16,920
so I call Bull

3617
02:43:19,309 --> 02:43:18,240
because that's what they did apparently

3618
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:19,319
they brought him up to the peak and

3619
02:43:23,929 --> 02:43:20,880
that's when you know he got the calls

3620
02:43:26,570 --> 02:43:23,939
and and uh they revoked his clearance

3621
02:43:28,010 --> 02:43:26,580
and stopped but apparently he up at the

3622
02:43:29,809 --> 02:43:28,020
peak what they were filming was either

3623
02:43:32,690 --> 02:43:29,819
Janet flights

3624
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:32,700
I just made this

3625
02:43:44,450 --> 02:43:40,309
we're we're uh gonna do a few more

3626
02:43:49,010 --> 02:43:46,429
there we go

3627
02:43:50,690 --> 02:43:49,020
ah I did it again

3628
02:43:52,610 --> 02:43:50,700
well let's get to the part about Mike

3629
02:43:56,270 --> 02:43:52,620
Thigpen

3630
02:43:57,950 --> 02:43:56,280
interviews is there any any oh wait a

3631
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:57,960
minute there we go it's uh you know

3632
02:44:01,670 --> 02:44:00,000
hired to go work out there you know

3633
02:44:03,410 --> 02:44:01,680
despite that he knows John Lear and then

3634
02:44:06,110 --> 02:44:03,420
as soon as he gets working out there

3635
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:06,120
what does he do he turns and goes him

3636
02:44:09,770 --> 02:44:07,920
blabs to his friends and brings them up

3637
02:44:10,849 --> 02:44:09,780
on the mountain you know with up to the

3638
02:44:12,349 --> 02:44:10,859
peak you know because that's what they

3639
02:44:13,849 --> 02:44:12,359
did apparently they brought him up to

3640
02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:13,859
the peak and that's when you know he got

3641
02:44:18,830 --> 02:44:16,560
the calls and and uh they revoked his

3642
02:44:20,389 --> 02:44:18,840
clearance and stopped but apparently he

3643
02:44:22,730 --> 02:44:20,399
up at the peak what they were filming

3644
02:44:24,349 --> 02:44:22,740
was either Janet flights the incoming

3645
02:44:26,450 --> 02:44:24,359
you know flight airline flights coming

3646
02:44:28,849 --> 02:44:26,460
into the base or they were filming some

3647
02:44:31,370 --> 02:44:28,859
you know some of the early Star Wars SDI

3648
02:44:33,469 --> 02:44:31,380
program uh tests on these plasma and

3649
02:44:35,690 --> 02:44:33,479
laser-induced plasma Technologies and

3650
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:35,700
you know they have proton beams and

3651
02:44:40,429 --> 02:44:37,920
other types of um beams that they could

3652
02:44:42,650 --> 02:44:40,439
generate balls of plasma in the sky

3653
02:44:44,830 --> 02:44:42,660
right I want to get into that I want to

3654
02:44:48,290 --> 02:44:44,840
talk a little bit more about this first

3655
02:44:50,510 --> 02:44:48,300
one of the things that um I noticed one

3656
02:44:53,690 --> 02:44:50,520
of the links you sent me was a medium

3657
02:44:56,090 --> 02:44:53,700
article about one of the guys who ran

3658
02:44:58,690 --> 02:44:56,100
security clearance for Bob at

3659
02:45:02,150 --> 02:44:58,700
what was it supposed to be Area 51 or S4

3660
02:45:03,770 --> 02:45:02,160
apparently yeah the thick pen story what

3661
02:45:06,110 --> 02:45:03,780
was the guy's name again

3662
02:45:08,510 --> 02:45:06,120
right so Jeremy Corbell put this whole

3663
02:45:10,849 --> 02:45:08,520
thing out about this Mike figpen guy he

3664
02:45:12,889 --> 02:45:10,859
talked about him on he talked him about

3665
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:12,899
him on the Joe Rogan podcast and and

3666
02:45:16,849 --> 02:45:14,160
touted him as this ultimate

3667
02:45:19,010 --> 02:45:16,859
whistleblower uh proof that you know Bob

3668
02:45:21,230 --> 02:45:19,020
Lazar really worked out at this place

3669
02:45:22,790 --> 02:45:21,240
and got the security clearance but

3670
02:45:24,530 --> 02:45:22,800
honestly

3671
02:45:27,710 --> 02:45:24,540
when you do the security background

3672
02:45:29,150 --> 02:45:27,720
check on Bob he doesn't check out none

3673
02:45:32,990 --> 02:45:29,160
of that stuff's mentioned in any of this

3674
02:45:34,490 --> 02:45:33,000
no proof is given no video he didn't

3675
02:45:36,050 --> 02:45:34,500
record the interview that he did with

3676
02:45:38,030 --> 02:45:36,060
this guy he didn't you know record audio

3677
02:45:41,750 --> 02:45:38,040
he didn't absolutely no he records

3678
02:45:43,550 --> 02:45:41,760
himself in his in in his apartment

3679
02:45:46,130 --> 02:45:43,560
you know sitting there with no shoes on

3680
02:45:48,050 --> 02:45:46,140
for hours in the in his film but he he

3681
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:48,060
couldn't you know just talking to George

3682
02:45:52,610 --> 02:45:50,399
Knapp on the phone or Bob ozar but he

3683
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:52,620
can't he couldn't have recorded that one

3684
02:45:56,690 --> 02:45:54,000
conversation that's way more important

3685
02:45:59,630 --> 02:45:56,700
than any of those yeah so uh just to be

3686
02:46:01,309 --> 02:45:59,640
clear Jeremy Corbell claimed that the

3687
02:46:03,349 --> 02:46:01,319
person who did Bob luzar security

3688
02:46:05,809 --> 02:46:03,359
clearance confirmed that he did it and

3689
02:46:08,210 --> 02:46:05,819
Bob lazar's the real deal but Jeremy

3690
02:46:11,210 --> 02:46:08,220
Corbell offered no evidence or proof and

3691
02:46:12,730 --> 02:46:11,220
later Mike thickpen would say I didn't

3692
02:46:16,370 --> 02:46:12,740
say any of that

3693
02:46:18,770 --> 02:46:16,380
so Jeremy Corbell basically lied to

3694
02:46:20,210 --> 02:46:18,780
everybody he lied to everybody about

3695
02:46:23,270 --> 02:46:20,220
thinkpen

3696
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:23,280
so who wrote this article this is on

3697
02:46:27,230 --> 02:46:25,200
medium the title is Bob Lazar Mike

3698
02:46:29,690 --> 02:46:27,240
Thigpen and the clearance investigation

3699
02:46:32,030 --> 02:46:29,700
this guy is uh signals intelligence and

3700
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:32,040
I'm not actually sure what his real name

3701
02:46:34,550 --> 02:46:33,600
is

3702
02:46:36,290 --> 02:46:34,560
um

3703
02:46:38,929 --> 02:46:36,300
it almost sounds like this guy Victor

3704
02:46:40,910 --> 02:46:38,939
that I know uh but I'm not sure if it's

3705
02:46:42,650 --> 02:46:40,920
so I want to figure out that there's a

3706
02:46:46,010 --> 02:46:42,660
clip in here

3707
02:46:48,770 --> 02:46:46,020
um go scroll down there's a excerpt from

3708
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:48,780
an interview with Mike Thigpen who does

3709
02:46:52,730 --> 02:46:50,880
it say conducted this interview with

3710
02:46:54,530 --> 02:46:52,740
Mike Thigpen

3711
02:46:56,330 --> 02:46:54,540
is this the guy who wrote the article

3712
02:46:58,250 --> 02:46:56,340
yeah so the guy who wrote the article

3713
02:46:59,630 --> 02:46:58,260
actually you know reached out to these

3714
02:47:01,130 --> 02:46:59,640
people and found a lot of these people

3715
02:47:03,050 --> 02:47:01,140
so this there's a lot of people that

3716
02:47:05,389 --> 02:47:03,060
have been doing you know back their own

3717
02:47:07,010 --> 02:47:05,399
background investigations yeah so they

3718
02:47:08,450 --> 02:47:07,020
went out and actually found people who

3719
02:47:10,490 --> 02:47:08,460
worked with him at Los Alamos yeah

3720
02:47:12,290 --> 02:47:10,500
people that worked with him uh you know

3721
02:47:13,790 --> 02:47:12,300
for all these things and interviewed him

3722
02:47:15,469 --> 02:47:13,800
and asked him everything they knew about

3723
02:47:18,410 --> 02:47:15,479
the guy you know just to try to get a

3724
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:18,420
whole big picture of it so this guy I'm

3725
02:47:21,889 --> 02:47:20,100
gonna read a little part of this article

3726
02:47:23,990 --> 02:47:21,899
that says I spoke with Mike Thigpen in

3727
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:24,000
August of 2021 to confirm corbell's

3728
02:47:28,010 --> 02:47:25,439
account of their conversations when I

3729
02:47:29,929 --> 02:47:28,020
asked if he had any recollection of Mr

3730
02:47:32,090 --> 02:47:29,939
Lazar or conducting a background

3731
02:47:35,330 --> 02:47:32,100
investigation into him Mike Thigpen said

3732
02:47:37,490 --> 02:47:35,340
it's possible I don't remember him no I

3733
02:47:41,450 --> 02:47:37,500
only got knowledge of him where I recall

3734
02:47:43,550 --> 02:47:41,460
it after he got into the news I did stop

3735
02:47:46,670 --> 02:47:43,560
and pause and listen when they threw my

3736
02:47:49,010 --> 02:47:46,680
name into his story the author asks you

3737
02:47:50,809 --> 02:47:49,020
didn't remember Mr Lazar as far as you

3738
02:47:53,150 --> 02:47:50,819
were aware did you not conduct a

3739
02:47:56,030 --> 02:47:53,160
background or clearance investigation on

3740
02:47:58,490 --> 02:47:56,040
him Thigpen as far as I recall I did so

3741
02:48:00,530 --> 02:47:58,500
many of them I if I did his background

3742
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,540
I'm not saying I did it all but if I did

3743
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:02,399
I don't recall yeah and it's interesting

3744
02:48:08,990 --> 02:48:06,720
so essentially Jeremy Corbell uh

3745
02:48:11,330 --> 02:48:09,000
basically lied and said that thick pen

3746
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:11,340
confirmed that he remembered Bob Lazar

3747
02:48:15,770 --> 02:48:13,200
he remembered doing the background check

3748
02:48:18,410 --> 02:48:15,780
then another researcher gets to Mike

3749
02:48:20,809 --> 02:48:18,420
thickpen who says I don't recall so I

3750
02:48:22,969 --> 02:48:20,819
apologize I was a little inaccurate Mike

3751
02:48:26,510 --> 02:48:22,979
thickpen did not say no I never said

3752
02:48:29,570 --> 02:48:26,520
that but we can draw an inference here

3753
02:48:31,790 --> 02:48:29,580
that Jeremy Corbell straight lied to

3754
02:48:34,130 --> 02:48:31,800
everyone when he claimed that Mike

3755
02:48:36,770 --> 02:48:34,140
thickpen who did this security clearance

3756
02:48:40,130 --> 02:48:36,780
remembered Bob Lazar and remembered him

3757
02:48:42,410 --> 02:48:40,140
doing the security clearance no uh when

3758
02:48:44,929 --> 02:48:42,420
signals intelligence got to thinkpen he

3759
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:44,939
said I don't recall I don't recall Bob

3760
02:48:52,370 --> 02:48:48,000
Lazar uh but I do recall my name being

3761
02:48:56,630 --> 02:48:54,410
the author says did you not tell Mr

3762
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:56,640
Corbell that you remembered Bob thickman

3763
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:58,319
says personally no I don't know Bob I

3764
02:49:01,429 --> 02:49:00,000
don't recall meeting him if I told him I

3765
02:49:03,290 --> 02:49:01,439
did it was an error I certainly didn't

3766
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:03,300
mean to say or apply that to Mr Corbell

3767
02:49:06,530 --> 02:49:05,040
it should be noted that Mr Thigpen

3768
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:06,540
readily agreed to allow this publication

3769
02:49:10,130 --> 02:49:08,240
of this interview

3770
02:49:12,110 --> 02:49:10,140
okay

3771
02:49:13,309 --> 02:49:12,120
well now play that little YouTube clip

3772
02:49:15,290 --> 02:49:13,319
real quick where they're talking about

3773
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:15,300
Mike Thigpen this is the guy just to

3774
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:16,160
give people

3775
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:19,200
yeah play the clip where corbel lies

3776
02:49:23,570 --> 02:49:21,359
live Joe Roman's interview with yeah the

3777
02:49:27,469 --> 02:49:23,580
only one he did with

3778
02:49:30,410 --> 02:49:27,479
Bob so Mike thinkpen was the guy that

3779
02:49:32,150 --> 02:49:30,420
did the check out this liar

3780
02:49:34,610 --> 02:49:32,160
he said he did

3781
02:49:36,410 --> 02:49:34,620
right and and George Knapp you know

3782
02:49:39,050 --> 02:49:36,420
George didn't believe him George put him

3783
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:39,060
through four polygraph tests right he

3784
02:49:44,690 --> 02:49:41,760
tried to see man this is a big risk it

3785
02:49:46,849 --> 02:49:44,700
sounds interesting but let's see Bob

3786
02:49:49,490 --> 02:49:46,859
Lazar that's another talking point that

3787
02:49:52,490 --> 02:49:49,500
he passed four lie detector tests no he

3788
02:49:55,969 --> 02:49:52,500
didn't and we have a whole video on that

3789
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:55,979
it's called Bob lazar's lie detector uh

3790
02:50:01,910 --> 02:49:59,760
lies exposed uh he did not pass for lie

3791
02:50:04,670 --> 02:50:01,920
detector tests Jeremy Corbell says he

3792
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:04,680
did uh but that's a murky story Bob

3793
02:50:08,929 --> 02:50:07,200
Lazar failed the first one I'm sorry the

3794
02:50:11,450 --> 02:50:08,939
first one was inconclusive and this is

3795
02:50:13,550 --> 02:50:11,460
I'm going off of memory the first lie

3796
02:50:16,130 --> 02:50:13,560
detector test was inconclusive so then

3797
02:50:18,650 --> 02:50:16,140
they got a new polygraph examiner he

3798
02:50:21,889 --> 02:50:18,660
failed the first one the second one he

3799
02:50:24,010 --> 02:50:21,899
passed the third one he passed you know

3800
02:50:27,110 --> 02:50:24,020
it depends on which version of the story

3801
02:50:30,469 --> 02:50:27,120
but essentially it would appear that

3802
02:50:32,090 --> 02:50:30,479
George Knapp and Bob Lazar just kept

3803
02:50:34,670 --> 02:50:32,100
taking lie detector tests for Barbara

3804
02:50:36,710 --> 02:50:34,680
until we passed some that's not how this

3805
02:50:39,469 --> 02:50:36,720
works and even the person Terry

3806
02:50:42,889 --> 02:50:39,479
tavernetti who gave him I think three of

3807
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:42,899
the four tests uh said that he gave him

3808
02:50:47,630 --> 02:50:45,120
the first test and he was not doing well

3809
02:50:49,969 --> 02:50:47,640
he was indicating deception which means

3810
02:50:52,190 --> 02:50:49,979
he failed the lie detector test but

3811
02:50:53,870 --> 02:50:52,200
Jeremy Corbell loves to say he passed

3812
02:50:57,170 --> 02:50:53,880
four lie detector tests even though it's

3813
02:51:06,410 --> 02:50:57,180
a complete and total bold-faced lie and

3814
02:51:10,130 --> 02:51:08,270
in the world claiming that this man

3815
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:10,140
doing the security clearance then how

3816
02:51:14,450 --> 02:51:12,479
come he doesn't recall that when another

3817
02:51:16,429 --> 02:51:14,460
researcher contacts him and how come

3818
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:16,439
Jeremy Corbell didn't record this

3819
02:51:19,610 --> 02:51:18,000
interview just as Jeremy said it would

3820
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:19,620
be hugely important to prove the Bob

3821
02:51:22,790 --> 02:51:21,600
Lazar story he didn't bother to record

3822
02:51:25,250 --> 02:51:22,800
it

3823
02:51:26,450 --> 02:51:25,260
one of the things was Bob said there's a

3824
02:51:28,730 --> 02:51:26,460
guy to Mike thick Penny did security

3825
02:51:30,590 --> 02:51:28,740
clearances for the face and that's a

3826
02:51:33,710 --> 02:51:30,600
weird name it's a very specific

3827
02:51:35,210 --> 02:51:33,720
for 30 years George found this guy in

3828
02:51:37,250 --> 02:51:35,220
this weird Department that he didn't

3829
02:51:38,750 --> 02:51:37,260
even know it was my thick pin the guy

3830
02:51:41,270 --> 02:51:38,760
wouldn't talk to me ghosted him totally

3831
02:51:43,370 --> 02:51:41,280
ghosting for 30 years used Facebook and

3832
02:51:45,889 --> 02:51:43,380
Google image match through his children

3833
02:51:47,929 --> 02:51:45,899
I was able to find him after 30 years

3834
02:51:50,270 --> 02:51:47,939
and I talked to him three times on the

3835
02:51:52,910 --> 02:51:50,280
phone he lives on the East Coast he

3836
02:51:54,590 --> 02:51:52,920
almost went on camera with me

3837
02:51:56,750 --> 02:51:54,600
confirmed that he did security

3838
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:56,760
clearances for the base in 1989

3839
02:52:01,969 --> 02:51:59,040
confirmed he remembers Bob Lazar yeah

3840
02:52:04,429 --> 02:52:01,979
confirmed he remembers until somebody

3841
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:04,439
else gets to that guy who says I don't

3842
02:52:09,050 --> 02:52:06,720
remember Bob Lazar you see the problem

3843
02:52:13,250 --> 02:52:09,060
with Korbel and the lies that he pushes

3844
02:52:15,950 --> 02:52:13,260
they fall apart under scrutiny I believe

3845
02:52:17,929 --> 02:52:15,960
that Jeremy Corbell was bluffing here I

3846
02:52:20,090 --> 02:52:17,939
think it was a huge Bluff he may have

3847
02:52:21,650 --> 02:52:20,100
found him and talked to him but he

3848
02:52:23,150 --> 02:52:21,660
didn't think anybody else would find him

3849
02:52:25,370 --> 02:52:23,160
and talk to him

3850
02:52:27,650 --> 02:52:25,380
interesting that there's no evidence

3851
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:27,660
provided for that and there's other guys

3852
02:52:32,570 --> 02:52:30,240
that talk to him that didn't get that

3853
02:52:34,910 --> 02:52:32,580
story and again

3854
02:52:36,530 --> 02:52:34,920
I've done my own been background

3855
02:52:38,090 --> 02:52:36,540
investigation on them and I just don't

3856
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:38,100
think he's the kind of guy that would

3857
02:52:40,910 --> 02:52:39,600
work out it at a place like this so

3858
02:52:42,410 --> 02:52:40,920
let's let's compare him with someone

3859
02:52:45,550 --> 02:52:42,420
that that did

3860
02:52:48,110 --> 02:52:45,560
um look up Dr Bernard hash

3861
02:52:50,090 --> 02:52:48,120
h-a-i-s-c-h okay here's one more thing

3862
02:52:51,230 --> 02:52:50,100
as well one of the biggest

3863
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:51,240
um things that I believe that have been

3864
02:52:58,250 --> 02:52:54,479
confirmed was Bob describes that hand

3865
02:52:59,809 --> 02:52:58,260
scale all right we're done yeah uh the

3866
02:53:01,730 --> 02:52:59,819
hand scanner that was in Close

3867
02:53:04,610 --> 02:53:01,740
Encounters of the Third Kind years

3868
02:53:07,250 --> 02:53:04,620
before Bob came out with his story Close

3869
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:07,260
Encounters of the Third Kind uh Jeremy

3870
02:53:11,170 --> 02:53:09,120
Corbell is on record saying that was his

3871
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:11,180
favorite movie as well

3872
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,640
so after 30 years Jeremy Corbell over

3873
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:17,040
promised and under delivered said there

3874
02:53:22,190 --> 02:53:18,960
would be all this new evidence and we're

3875
02:53:24,349 --> 02:53:22,200
dropping bombs on these Skeptics and

3876
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:24,359
we're gonna prove Bob lazar's story is

3877
02:53:28,730 --> 02:53:26,399
true with all this evidence and this and

3878
02:53:30,830 --> 02:53:28,740
that and it turns out the only evidence

3879
02:53:33,769 --> 02:53:30,840
they had was

3880
02:53:36,769 --> 02:53:33,779
Bob Lazar once described a hand scanner

3881
02:53:38,269 --> 02:53:36,779
and in the film Jeremy uh shows him a

3882
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:38,279
picture of a hand scanner and says is

3883
02:53:44,230 --> 02:53:39,840
that the hand scanner and Bobby's art

3884
02:53:47,090 --> 02:53:44,240
says yeah yeah that's the hand scanner

3885
02:53:48,650 --> 02:53:47,100
garbage absolutely garbage that is not

3886
02:53:50,330 --> 02:53:48,660
evidence of anything and by the way

3887
02:53:53,690 --> 02:53:50,340
those scanners were in a bunch of

3888
02:53:56,690 --> 02:53:53,700
different science magazines all over the

3889
02:53:58,969 --> 02:53:56,700
world of science for years a science

3890
02:54:00,530 --> 02:53:58,979
nerd who reads science magazines would

3891
02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:00,540
have heard about these hand scanners

3892
02:54:05,809 --> 02:54:03,840
that's not evidence so uh we're going to

3893
02:54:09,170 --> 02:54:05,819
call it here we're coming up on three

3894
02:54:11,570 --> 02:54:09,180
hours uh but I want to congratulate and

3895
02:54:12,650 --> 02:54:11,580
thank Jeremy rise alien scientist for

3896
02:54:15,410 --> 02:54:12,660
doing this

3897
02:54:21,050 --> 02:54:15,420
that it was amazing interview

3898
02:54:24,590 --> 02:54:21,060
and I hope I hope that soon

3899
02:54:26,330 --> 02:54:24,600
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp and Bob

3900
02:54:28,550 --> 02:54:26,340
Lazar are going to be called on the

3901
02:54:31,550 --> 02:54:28,560
carpet and they're going to have to

3902
02:54:34,370 --> 02:54:31,560
uh they're gonna have to prove

3903
02:54:36,290 --> 02:54:34,380
that the story is true or they need to

3904
02:54:39,830 --> 02:54:36,300
stop collecting millions and millions of

3905
02:54:43,130 --> 02:54:39,840
dollars selling a fake story as a true

3906
02:54:46,670 --> 02:54:43,140
story and you know let's examine another

3907
02:54:49,190 --> 02:54:46,680
thing for a moment shall we why is it

3908
02:54:52,849 --> 02:54:49,200
you know I just I don't understand this

3909
02:54:54,410 --> 02:54:52,859
uh and and it bothers me you know a lot

3910
02:54:57,050 --> 02:54:54,420
of things about the Balthazar story

3911
02:54:58,490 --> 02:54:57,060
bother me but one specifically really

3912
02:55:01,849 --> 02:54:58,500
bothers me

3913
02:55:04,309 --> 02:55:01,859
and that is this if you were the person

3914
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:04,319
who has made millions and millions of

3915
02:55:09,290 --> 02:55:06,960
dollars selling a story and telling

3916
02:55:12,349 --> 02:55:09,300
people this is a true story

3917
02:55:15,410 --> 02:55:12,359
uh why would you not address all of the

3918
02:55:17,450 --> 02:55:15,420
evidence that the story is fake why

3919
02:55:20,210 --> 02:55:17,460
would you completely and totally ignore

3920
02:55:23,650 --> 02:55:20,220
all that evidence withhold it from your

3921
02:55:26,570 --> 02:55:23,660
audience while you're selling the story

3922
02:55:29,090 --> 02:55:26,580
This Lie by Omission we've talked about

3923
02:55:31,550 --> 02:55:29,100
it before the Bible is our story only

3924
02:55:35,570 --> 02:55:31,560
works because of the Lie by Omission

3925
02:55:38,330 --> 02:55:35,580
they specifically don't give you all of

3926
02:55:41,330 --> 02:55:38,340
this information that Jeremy or or I

3927
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:41,340
have given you they don't do it they

3928
02:55:46,610 --> 02:55:43,920
will not give you the evidence

3929
02:55:48,889 --> 02:55:46,620
that indicates Bob Lazar is a convicted

3930
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:48,899
pimp fake scientist liar with a fake

3931
02:55:53,269 --> 02:55:51,359
education who was bankrupt didn't have

3932
02:55:55,969 --> 02:55:53,279
time to even go to school to get these

3933
02:55:58,990 --> 02:55:55,979
degrees lied about being a scientist at

3934
02:56:02,990 --> 02:55:59,000
Los Alamos lied about

3935
02:56:04,969 --> 02:56:03,000
stepping foot on Area 51 because the

3936
02:56:07,490 --> 02:56:04,979
other information that we have that is

3937
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:07,500
just as compelling uh as some of the

3938
02:56:12,769 --> 02:56:10,560
evidence that uh Jeremy presented on

3939
02:56:15,710 --> 02:56:12,779
this podcast is that

3940
02:56:18,110 --> 02:56:15,720
a verified on the record Area 51

3941
02:56:20,330 --> 02:56:18,120
security guard said he checked the logs

3942
02:56:23,870 --> 02:56:20,340
you have to be logged in and out of area

3943
02:56:25,610 --> 02:56:23,880
51. Bob Lazar according to that area 51

3944
02:56:27,650 --> 02:56:25,620
security guard who's on the record

3945
02:56:31,790 --> 02:56:27,660
statements he's not an anonymous source

3946
02:56:33,830 --> 02:56:31,800
like corbels and and nap sources he said

3947
02:56:36,710 --> 02:56:33,840
Bob Czar never stepped foot on the base

3948
02:56:39,290 --> 02:56:36,720
and he also drove out to the so-called

3949
02:56:42,530 --> 02:56:39,300
S4 location nothing there nothing but

3950
02:56:44,330 --> 02:56:42,540
sand and rocks no guard shack no Road no

3951
02:56:47,570 --> 02:56:44,340
hangers he went right up to the mountain

3952
02:56:49,910 --> 02:56:47,580
there was nothing there why doesn't

3953
02:56:53,030 --> 02:56:49,920
George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell address

3954
02:56:56,450 --> 02:56:53,040
that that's an important point the whole

3955
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:56,460
story is Bob Lazar flew into Area 51 and

3956
02:57:02,809 --> 02:56:59,520
then he was taken to this other base uh

3957
02:57:06,349 --> 02:57:02,819
the base is fake there is no S4 at that

3958
02:57:08,809 --> 02:57:06,359
location and additionally Bob Lazar

3959
02:57:12,710 --> 02:57:08,819
would have had to have been

3960
02:57:16,370 --> 02:57:12,720
in the logs for coming in or out of area

3961
02:57:19,550 --> 02:57:16,380
51. he was not and by the way that area

3962
02:57:21,790 --> 02:57:19,560
51 security guard even mentions in the

3963
02:57:25,490 --> 02:57:21,800
interview we presented with uh Victor

3964
02:57:27,050 --> 02:57:25,500
that he called George Knapp and said you

3965
02:57:28,730 --> 02:57:27,060
better be careful with this guy he's

3966
02:57:31,610 --> 02:57:28,740
lying to you he's never worked at area

3967
02:57:33,290 --> 02:57:31,620
51. I'm a security guard here I checked

3968
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:33,300
all the logs as soon as you did your

3969
02:57:39,469 --> 02:57:36,000
broadcast the first broadcast uh

3970
02:57:41,870 --> 02:57:39,479
mentioning Bob Lazar by name we checked

3971
02:57:44,269 --> 02:57:41,880
all the logs he's not on any of them now

3972
02:57:46,790 --> 02:57:44,279
I know get the Men in Black explanation

3973
02:57:50,090 --> 02:57:46,800
ready why would George Knapp and Jeremy

3974
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,100
Corbell not address that blaring bit of

3975
02:57:55,790 --> 02:57:52,800
evidence that the entire Bob Lazar story

3976
02:57:58,610 --> 02:57:55,800
is fake if he never flew in or out of

3977
02:58:00,230 --> 02:57:58,620
Area 51 he couldn't have worked at Area

3978
02:58:02,750 --> 02:58:00,240
51

3979
02:58:06,230 --> 02:58:02,760
snap and Jeremy Corbell will not address

3980
02:58:10,370 --> 02:58:06,240
that they also don't address the fact

3981
02:58:12,410 --> 02:58:10,380
that Bob Lazar is a liar he was never a

3982
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:12,420
physicist let alone a senior staff level

3983
02:58:18,110 --> 02:58:16,319
physicist at Los Alamos and there is an

3984
02:58:20,510 --> 02:58:18,120
overwhelming mountain of evidence for

3985
02:58:23,150 --> 02:58:20,520
that signals intelligence got to Bob

3986
02:58:25,130 --> 02:58:23,160
lazar's former supervisors at Los Alamos

3987
02:58:27,950 --> 02:58:25,140
who all confirmed that Bob Bazaar was a

3988
02:58:29,929 --> 02:58:27,960
low-level technician he never was a

3989
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:29,939
scientist there he was the kind of guy

3990
02:58:34,250 --> 02:58:32,160
that got you you know a new keyboard in

3991
02:58:37,550 --> 02:58:34,260
the lab if you spilled coffee on it or

3992
02:58:40,550 --> 02:58:37,560
ran wires for you network cables he was

3993
02:58:43,130 --> 02:58:40,560
a low-level technician he is not now nor

3994
02:58:46,190 --> 02:58:43,140
has he ever been a scientist so

3995
02:58:47,269 --> 02:58:46,200
essentially what is happening here is

3996
02:58:50,269 --> 02:58:47,279
that

3997
02:58:53,150 --> 02:58:50,279
you know George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell

3998
02:58:57,050 --> 02:58:53,160
have made they've made millions of

3999
02:58:59,330 --> 02:58:57,060
dollars pushing a convicted space pip

4000
02:59:01,730 --> 02:58:59,340
he's a convicted

4001
02:59:04,309 --> 02:59:01,740
pip

4002
02:59:07,790 --> 02:59:04,319
he's never been a scientist not now not

4003
02:59:09,889 --> 02:59:07,800
ever he lied multiple multiple times but

4004
02:59:12,710 --> 02:59:09,899
what George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell do

4005
02:59:15,230 --> 02:59:12,720
is they carefully construct a false

4006
02:59:17,570 --> 02:59:15,240
reality and that is what they are

4007
02:59:19,809 --> 02:59:17,580
selling you they are selling you this

4008
02:59:23,210 --> 02:59:19,819
false reality where this convicted

4009
02:59:26,269 --> 02:59:23,220
bankrupt liar whose wife was a convicted

4010
02:59:28,610 --> 02:59:26,279
murderer and a criminal who hung out

4011
02:59:31,929 --> 02:59:28,620
with the Hell's Angels they're selling

4012
02:59:35,690 --> 02:59:31,939
you a completely totally false created

4013
02:59:38,690 --> 02:59:35,700
reality where that same guy

4014
02:59:40,969 --> 02:59:38,700
was a senior staff level physicist who

4015
02:59:46,190 --> 02:59:40,979
the government called in to figure out

4016
02:59:48,349 --> 02:59:46,200
these alien flying saucers no no uh I

4017
02:59:50,030 --> 02:59:48,359
don't think so uh I want to thank every

4018
02:59:52,250 --> 02:59:50,040
one of you for joining us I want to

4019
02:59:55,309 --> 02:59:52,260
thank Our Kind and Generous benefactors

4020
02:59:59,809 --> 02:59:55,319
you patreon supporters you PayPal

4021
03:00:02,450 --> 02:59:59,819
donators you uh super Chatters super

4022
03:00:04,910 --> 03:00:02,460
sticker purchasers super thanks people

4023
03:00:07,969 --> 03:00:04,920
who actually send money while watching

4024
03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:07,979
replays not during the live show imagine

4025
03:00:17,210 --> 03:00:13,200
that uh very very kind of all of you uh

4026
03:00:19,309 --> 03:00:17,220
and we want to thank uh David for a Kind

4027
03:00:21,650 --> 03:00:19,319
and Generous six dollar PayPal pledge as

4028
03:00:24,830 --> 03:00:21,660
well uh we want to thank you twitch

4029
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:24,840
subscribers as well and all you people

4030
03:00:29,570 --> 03:00:27,359
purchasing true Seekers merchandise here

4031
03:00:31,969 --> 03:00:29,580
I'll try to give you a better view in

4032
03:00:34,309 --> 03:00:31,979
the description of the video is two

4033
03:00:35,690 --> 03:00:34,319
links and both of those links will take

4034
03:00:39,110 --> 03:00:35,700
you to a place where you can purchase

4035
03:00:41,929 --> 03:00:39,120
true Seekers quality merchandise

4036
03:00:43,429 --> 03:00:41,939
um and uh this is just one of them you

4037
03:00:45,950 --> 03:00:43,439
can get a true Seekers logo shirt

4038
03:00:49,550 --> 03:00:45,960
there's a lot of funny shirts on there

4039
03:00:51,410 --> 03:00:49,560
the first link is for Amazon but Amazon

4040
03:00:52,969 --> 03:00:51,420
only ships to certain countries so if

4041
03:00:54,950 --> 03:00:52,979
you try the Amazon link and it won't

4042
03:00:56,990 --> 03:00:54,960
ship to your country just come back over

4043
03:00:59,030 --> 03:00:57,000
here and hit that red bubble link it's

4044
03:01:00,469 --> 03:00:59,040
the second storefront that ships

4045
03:01:04,429 --> 03:01:00,479
internationally but it takes a little

4046
03:01:06,830 --> 03:01:04,439
long takes a little longer so

4047
03:01:09,830 --> 03:01:06,840
what can I say friends uh that's all I

4048
03:01:11,870 --> 03:01:09,840
got for you until next time my name is

4049
03:01:15,630 --> 03:01:11,880
Stephen cambian good night and God bless

4050
03:03:03,910 --> 03:02:35,170
[Music]

4051
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:12,790
thank you